Do you see the UPCI shifting far right?

[jrLA]

In response to this thread, I can only say that I am thankful to be part of the LA District of the UPC. I believe in the UPC and I believe in Holiness and separation. But, no way do I think a district official should come in and tell me how to pastor my church. Our district is in my opinion a very balanced district. Many call it the Liberal District instead of the LA District, but there is still a good standard here.

Just finished our District Conference. Yes, I could see the attempt to keep up centered in our fundamentals, but all in all, it was a very smooth and pleasant conference. No threats and nothing even mentioned about the WPF mess or the General Board Decision. There was a big push for our youth to get involved in ministry and many that were highlighting the need for younger preachers as there has been a decline in this area of our ministerial body. It was a great conference and balanced in my opinion! Thank God for LA!!!

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by harleypreacher

I agree, Jesus is the WAY, TRUTH and LIFE, not UPC or any other man made organization. We are baptized into Christ Jesus. I do hope our focus will turn to Jesus and not the UPC Articles of Faith.

If we preach the UPC manual it will divide us, if we preach the Bible that it will unite us. The word love cannot be found in the UPC manual, that maybe why we're always fighting and dividing.

hitting the nail
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on the head!

[Scott Hutchinson]

Holiness is a Biblical mandate and we all can stand to drawer closer to Christ,but our unity must come from The Bible.Seriously how can unity come from standards,when standards vary from church to church and pastor to pastor,seriously how many pastors agree on standards 100 percent ?
Being a disciple of Christ means having lines drawn at things the bible terms as sin,but we should allow freedom on non-essential or non-salvational issues.
If we all line up with Jesus Christ,then we should all line up together.
But we all need to make sure what we term Holiness it what the Bible terms as Holiness.

[Falla39]

My late father used to say, after many years of having the Holy Ghost and seeing a lot of things, "There is a ditch on each side of that road. Too far this way or too far that way will land you in the ditch".

I would add, you might not want to travel down the middle of the road either. You could get hit by what's coming from either direction.

Safety might be staying in the center of the lane you are traveling. If you're going somewhere, get in the "Right" lane and drive. If you are returning, get in the "Right" lane and travel. You're safe if you're in the "Right" lane. The safe lane is the "Right" one. Always.

The "Left" lane is reserved for those going in the opposite direction.

Blessings,

Falla39

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Falla39

My late father used to say, after many years of having the Holy Ghost and seeing a lot of things, "There is a ditch on each side of that road. Too far this way or too far that way will land you in the ditch".

I would add, you might not want to travel down the middle of the road either. You could get hit by what's coming from either direction.

Safety might be staying in the center of the lane you are traveling. If you're going somewhere, get in the "Right" lane and drive. If you are returning, get in the "Right" lane and travel. You're safe if you're in the "Right" lane. The safe lane is the "Right" one. Always.

The "Left" lane is reserved for those going in the opposite direction.

Blessings,

Falla39

What if you were in England?

[Ferd]

here is my own personl theory. Lets call it an educated guess

Nothing of note will happen for the next 3 years. Any attempts to move right or left will be met by general disapproval by the general board.

the current "re-affermation of the affirmation of the affiermation" is an attempt to keep things "as they are". I suspect in some districts, there may be an attempt by the DS to force closer adherence to standards. I suspect it wont work that well.

After that 3 year period, it will be very interesting to see what happens. things will then shift one way or the other. And I suspect it will involve who the next GS is.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Holiness is a Biblical mandate and we all can stand to drawer closer to Christ,but our unity must come from The Bible.Seriously how can unity come from standards,when standards vary from church to church and pastor to pastor,seriously how many pastors agree on standards 100 percent ?
Being a disciple of Christ means having lines drawn at things the bible terms as sin,but we should allow freedom on non-essential or non-salvational issues.
If we all line up with Jesus Christ,then we should all line up together.
But we all need to make sure what we term Holiness it what the Bible terms as Holiness.

POST OF THE DAY!!! Great job Bro. Scott.

[Sandra]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I think the outward holiness "lion" has lost his teeth. The mantra is still proclaimed and hoisted up the flag pole. But there are fewer and fewer who gather around it and bow down even though they may SAY they agree with it.

There are too many people who have engaged their brains, looked in their bibles who are not the vitriolic rebels the cons have labeled them. AM preaches it and I respect him for who he is. KH preaches it to a degree. But let's just be VERY honest: The outward holiness standard IS who the UPC is. It is what they are known for. They are NOT known for being the most Christlike, joyous people in God's kingdom. Take the outward holiness away and it implodes. IMO, anyway. IT has been the bolster. IT has been the thing which has been preached that we can NEVER get away from, for if we do, we'll surely lose everything else we have!
Balderdash!!!!!

Amen!!

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

What if you were in England?

If our ancestors had found the answers in England they no doubt
would have stayed over there.

Kinda like if the old covenant would have done the job, there would
have been no need for a better covenant, based on better things.

I speak as an American. Someone left England for something better,
and they found it. I thank God for those who found a better way and
walked in it before I was born. I thank God for what was given to me
and it has been given to my children and grandchildren.

A true American will fight for their country and defend it. A true
Christian will also fight for the things that have been given to them.
Spoiled children generally don't appreciate much. It didn't cost them
much, if anything! I was a part of a church my late father founded
50 yrs. ago this November. I was 19 yrs. old. Had graduated from
high school the year before. Worked and helped provide for my younger
siblings. There were eleven of us and we knew how to work and
sacrifice for the important things. I appreciate the hard work and
sacrifice our parents and others that a better way would be had for
their children and future generations. My late parents direct descendants
now number right at 100. Not only did my dad build an "Ark" to the saving
of his own house, but for us, our children and our grandchildren, a place
to worship in spirit and in truth. I so appreciate my heritage given to me,
and I want to leave a legecy of the same for our future generations.

Anything I ever write is never intended for offence, but hopefully for
encouragement, etc.

Blessings,

Falla39

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Falla39

If our ancestors had found the answers in England they no doubt
would have stayed over there.

Kinda like if the old covenant would have done the job, there would
have been no need for a better covenant, based on better things.

I speak as an American. Someone left England for something better,
and they found it. I thank God for those who found a better way and
walked in it before I was born. I thank God for what was given to me
and it has been given to my children and grandchildren.

A true American will fight for their country and defend it. A true
Christian will also fight for the things that have been given to them.
Spoiled children generally don't appreciate much. It didn't cost them
much, if anything! I was a part of a church my late father founded
50 yrs. ago this November. I was 19 yrs. old. Had graduated from
high school the year before. Worked and helped provide for my younger
siblings. There were eleven of us and we knew how to work and
sacrifice for the important things. I appreciate the hard work and
sacrifice our parents and others that a better way would be had for
their children and future generations. My late parents direct descendants
now number right at 100. Not only did my dad build an "Ark" to the saving
of his own house, but for us, our children and our grandchildren, a place
to worship in spirit and in truth. I so appreciate my heritage given to me,
and I want to leave a legecy of the same for our future generations.

Anything I ever write is never intended for offence, but hopefully for
encouragement, etc.

Blessings,

Falla39

No offense taken I was just messing with ya. You are a great an respectable poster here. I am not even sure you could offend someone.