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Old 05-08-2008, 05:44 PM
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Maybe....however America is biased towards the Polygamists from the outset and America never thinks "that can happen to me"....because Americans are blinded by beer, football and American Idol....so says me
EXACTLY! I was at a basket ball game a couple of nights ago. There had to have been over 100 media people from around the country there, all reporting and analyzing the same game that had no real consequence in the long run.

It was very troubling to me that so many came to report the same coverage while most of what is going on in Texas has been sound bites of a few reporters broadcast around the world without a whole lot of analysis.
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Old 05-08-2008, 05:47 PM
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Do you all think President Bush would have signed the DNA testing into law last week if America had become outraged about the DNA testing ordered of 463 children in Texas a couple of weeks before?

I saw a great movie set in the future about genetics determining all one's options in life despite whatever drive an individual might have to succeed in an area that he or she wasn't "qualified"' to consider. It was scary stuff.
Newman, do you believe that part of the reason why you became an attorney is because you are wired to be one? What I am getting at is this. I have 4 children, all of whom have strengths and weaknesses, along with different personalities and mindsets. My oldest daughter is destined for higher education. I can see her becoming a doctor, lawyer, educator, executive, etc., because she has the mindset and ability to get the education those professions require. My son, on the other hand, will most likely end up going to a vocational college. His mindset is geard more towards working with his hands as a contractor, heating and a/c specialist, mechanic, etc. My middle daughter will most likely end up being a cartoonist, graphic designer, or some other artistic profession.

What would be so bad about knowing these types of things about children at birth? If a test determines that a child is better suited for professions in group "a", then their education could be custom tailored towards that group of professions, rather than this one size fits all approach to education we have now.

I can see a lot of benefits emerging from DNA testing at birth. I think it would help people find direction for their adult lives and could possibly even go a long way in helping people choose their mate.

I also believe science will eventually get to the point that certain diseases will be prevented from proliferating in society, partly because of DNA testing. If the genes that cause diabetes are found in a newborn, I believe science will have a way of modifying that gene or shutting it off, so that diabetes never develops in that child. Maybe science will eventually find a way to completely eliminate that gene in someone born with it.
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Old 05-08-2008, 05:49 PM
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So you think its wrong to take DNA samples from convicted criminals?

maybe you really need to think this through a bit more.
convicted criminals loose individual privacy rights, I don't know if they are required to submit dna by law but that would be different than all citizens having to submit dna, criminal or not.
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Old 05-08-2008, 05:53 PM
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Seriously....this is "and they shall be eating and drinking, marrying and given in marriage" here and now. All Americans care about is their beer, sports, sex and money. If it does not impact their lives immediately they don't care and if it does impact them they will soon forget because the allure of sex, beer and sports goes on and on. That is why nobody does anything about gas prices....they complain for a short time and then hope the government is doing something
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:05 PM
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Newman, do you believe that part of the reason why you became an attorney is because you are wired to be one? What I am getting at is this. I have 4 children, all of whom have strengths and weaknesses, along with different personalities and mindsets. My oldest daughter is destined for higher education. I can see her becoming a doctor, lawyer, educator, executive, etc., because she has the mindset and ability to get the education those professions require. My son, on the other hand, will most likely end up going to a vocational college. His mindset is geard more towards working with his hands as a contractor, heating and a/c specialist, mechanic, etc. My middle daughter will most likely end up being a cartoonist, graphic designer, or some other artistic profession.

What would be so bad about knowing these types of things about children at birth? If a test determines that a child is better suited for professions in group "a", then their education could be custom tailored towards that group of professions, rather than this one size fits all approach to education we have now.

I can see a lot of benefits emerging from DNA testing at birth. I think it would help people find direction for their adult lives and could possibly even go a long way in helping people choose their mate.

I also believe science will eventually get to the point that certain diseases will be prevented from proliferating in society, partly because of DNA testing. If the genes that cause diabetes are found in a newborn, I believe science will have a way of modifying that gene or shutting it off, so that diabetes never develops in that child. Maybe science will eventually find a way to completely eliminate that gene in someone born with it.
you're really sounding scary Rico. Do you really believe dna can determine educational potential? that is really far out and subject to mass discrimination if you don't believe that anyone can achieve anything. there is no genetic difference between a billionaire and a street bum besides opportunity and circumstance. if the bum had the same educational opportunities and family connections, he would be in the same situation. what you are talking about is closer to natural selection and secular evolution which led the nazis to "exterminate" millions of handicapped, mentally ill and eventually jews.

btw, have you seen the movie Gattica? I think you would enjoy it. It deals with these issues.
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:06 PM
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you're really sounding scary Rico. Do you really believe dna can determine educational potential? that is really far out and subject to mass discrimination if you don't believe that anyone can achieve anything. there is no genetic difference between a billionaire and a street bum besides opportunity and circumstance. if the bum had the same educational opportunities and family connections, he would be in the same situation. what you are talking about is closer to natural selection and secular evolution which led the nazis to "exterminate" millions of handicapped, mentally ill and eventually jews.

btw, have you seen the movie Gattica? I think you would enjoy it. It deals with these issues.
Exactly!
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:11 PM
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Seriously....this is "and they shall be eating and drinking, marrying and given in marriage" here and now. All Americans care about is their beer, sports, sex and money. If it does not impact their lives immediately they don't care and if it does impact them they will soon forget because the allure of sex, beer and sports goes on and on. That is why nobody does anything about gas prices....they complain for a short time and then hope the government is doing something
Prax, what does this have to do with the topic of this thread? LOL! Also, Americans obviously care about more than what you said. Just look at the election turnout for this primary season. Record numbers of voters have turned out.
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:14 PM
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you're really sounding scary Rico. Do you really believe dna can determine educational potential? that is really far out and subject to mass discrimination if you don't believe that anyone can achieve anything. there is no genetic difference between a billionaire and a street bum besides opportunity and circumstance. if the bum had the same educational opportunities and family connections, he would be in the same situation. what you are talking about is closer to natural selection and secular evolution which led the nazis to "exterminate" millions of handicapped, mentally ill and eventually jews.

btw, have you seen the movie Gattica? I think you would enjoy it. It deals with these issues.
Sorry, but you are more than wrong. Some people are literally born morons. I am not saying that as an insult either. Being a moron is actually a level of intelligence, just like being a genius is. Are you trying to tell me that the only difference between a moron and a billionaire is opportunity and circumstance?
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:28 PM
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Sorry, but you are more than wrong. Some people are literally born morons. I am not saying that as an insult either. Being a moron is actually a level of intelligence, just like being a genius is. Are you trying to tell me that the only difference between a moron and a billionaire is opportunity and circumstance?
Yep. Ask Larry Flint.
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Yep. Ask Larry Flint.

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