What to do with Misplaced Apostolics?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Esther

I think it would be great if all were treated the same. But honesty has to admit that is NOT the case.

If you are a PK you have an advantage.

If you are a man you have an advantage.

If you are nice looking you have an advantage.

If you have money you have an advantage.

Why?

Because we ALL are human and politics plays to often in the church.

I agree with Matt that you can do something for God outside the church. Too often we look for affirmation from man and not God.

Very insightful post.

And if you're part of a large church, or if your pastor is well known and/or influential, you have an advantage also.

Why?
Because church politics plays into it... as much as we might try to pretend it doesn't.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Very insightful post.

And if you're part of a large church, or if your pastor is well known and/or influential, you have an advantage also.

Why?
Because church politics plays into it... as much as we might try to pretend it doesn't.

TRFrance,

You are correct on both counts: Esther had a very insightful post, and you are correct about being part of a large church or a church where the Pastor is very infuential. The things mentioned are just a part of our culture.

It stands to reason that if you know people who know people and you have a positive relationship with them then it makes sense that they could promote you. The reverse is also true. Many people might have 'issues' with a person, and not allow them the benefit of the doubt, but then another person comes along who has faith in God and in that person and you can walk into your destiny.

Bro. A.D. Urshan was known to say "God puffeth you up and he puffeth you down". The bible goes along with this stating that "God will use who he will use." If God truly has called you then when the time is right...God will open the right door, in the right time, for your ministry. We all know that God's timing is not our timing...but he is always right on time. The scripture tells us to, "...not be weary in well-doing for you will reap if you faint not".

It appears that many on this forum have or are sufferring from what Solomon calls... hope deferred, and we also know that it...maketh the heart sick.

For all those with a sick heart...do not give up because God promises to work all things for your good and to complete the good work He has started in you.

Be Blessed,
Rhoni

[ManOfWord]

Before I left the UPC, I was rising in the ranks primarily because I had an influential pastor and could preach "fearful" obedience and standards messages!

The UPC, IMO, is an "incestuous" organization. What I mean by that is that it primarily multiplies from within and not without.



DISCLAIMER: This opinion is the opinion of MOW alone and does not reflect the opinions of the AFF staff, their families or friends and relatives.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Before I left the UPC, I was rising in the ranks primarily because I had an influential pastor and could preach "fearful" obedience and standards messages!

The UPC, IMO, is an "incestuous" organization. What I mean by that is that it primarily multiplies from within and not without.



DISCLAIMER: This opinion is the opinion of MOW alone and does not reflect the opinions of the AFF staff, their families or friends and relatives.

Now THIS is a gem.

You'd better have some Icy Hot for the sore back you're gonna have from all the back slaps you're gonna get.

[Jekyll]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

Jekyll,

It has been obvious for years that you have 'issues' with me. Since we have never met or spoke in person, I can't imagine why. I do know who you and your family members are.

Now you have problems with the forum in general...it is a bit judgemental of you to say the least. You have a choice not to be here.

You are not anonymous to all. You value your anonymity and I value my right to speak freely as an Apostolic woman who has been through numerous growth experiences enabling me to minister to diverse groups, and/or individuals.

It has been said before and I repeat this: if you don't like the thread, content of the thread, or the persons posting...find another thread, or another forum.

Respectfully, Rhoni

I've always had problems with some of the things that go on here. THAT's no secret but...

I didn't think there'd be so many yelps when I posted that.

Rhoni, you want to bring my family into this when you are in a corner? Just confirms to me your character. You are not so anonymous and such yourself. I couldn't care less who your family is, either.

This poor me, misplaced romance, unusable ministry sounds like whining and it isn't becoming of 40+ aged adults.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Rhoni

TRFrance,

You are correct on both counts: Esther had a very insightful post, and you are correct about being part of a large church or a church where the Pastor is very infuential. The things mentioned are just a part of our culture.

It stands to reason that if you know people who know people and you have a positive relationship with them then it makes sense that they could promote you. The reverse is also true. Many people might have 'issues' with a person, and not allow them the benefit of the doubt, but then another person comes along who has faith in God and in that person and you can walk into your destiny.

Bro. A.D. Urshan was known to say "God puffeth you up and he puffeth you down". The bible goes along with this stating that "God will use who he will use." If God truly has called you then when the time is right...God will open the right door, in the right time, for your ministry. We all know that God's timing is not our timing...but he is always right on time. The scripture tells us to, "...not be weary in well-doing for you will reap if you faint not".

It appears that many on this forum have or are sufferring from what Solomon calls... hope deferred, and we also know that it...maketh the heart sick.

For all those with a sick heart...do not give up because God promises to work all things for your good and to complete the good work He has started in you.

Be Blessed,
Rhoni

Indeed, Rhoni, wise words.

Sometimes, in reflection on these things, I do wonder how much is God's doing vs. man's doing.

I've seen situations where the appointments for certain positions seemed very political, or at least were influenced by popularity and "connectedness'. I remember once being told by a dear saint in leadership that he/she lost their position because a bunch of others at the decision-making level wanted to vote their friend in to take that position from him/her. It made it sound almost like it was a popularity contest, and it made me sad to hear it. But it made me wonder if that stuff goes on more than we think.

It makes me ask myself the [rhetorical] question: is that kind of stuff really good for the kingdom? (of course, it cant be. )
In our Apostolic organizations....were the men and women we see serving in certain positions of leadership at the local/district/organizational levels appointed because they're the best for the job?
Why does it seem like a lot of it comes down to [just like in the world] not what you know, but who you know?

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

I've always had problems with some of the things that go on here. THAT's no secret but...

I didn't think there'd be so many yelps when I posted that.

Rhoni, you want to bring my family into this when you are in a corner? Just confirms to me your character. You are not so anonymous and such yourself. I couldn't care less who your family is, either.

This poor me, misplaced romance, unusable ministry sounds like whining and it isn't becoming of 40+ aged adults.

Jekyll,
It appears that you are the one in the corner, not I. I am not whining, not in a romance, and I am being used in my church so I have no clue what you are talking about.

Blessings, Rhoni

P.S. I will have to admit though...you are correct - I am 40+

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Indeed, Rhoni, wise words.

Sometimes, in reflection on these things, I do wonder how much is God's doing vs. man's doing.

I've seen situations where the appointments for certain positions seemed very political, or at least were influenced by popularity and "connectedness'. I remember once being told by a dear saint in leadership that he/she lost their position because a bunch of others at the decision-making level wanted to vote their friend in to take that position from him/her. It made it sound almost like it was a popularity contest, and it made me sad to hear it. But it made me wonder if that stuff goes on more than we think.

It makes me ask myself the [rhetorical] question: is that kind of stuff really good for the kingdom? (of course, it cant be. )
In our Apostolic organizations....were the men and women we see serving in certain positions of leadership at the local/district/organizational levels appointed because they're the best for the job?
Why does it seem like a lot of it comes down to [just like in the world] not what you know, but who you know?

Well TRFrance,

There are times that God works despite organizations and politics. When the day is over...God will have His will regardless fo those who try to limit him, or those called by him for a purpose.

Blessings, Rhoni

[Brother Price]

Hold up...

Now, I don't care who is what, but Jekyll, you start that kind of mess with Rhoni, you had better be ready for possible repercussions from me. Your attitude and arrogance shows us of what spirit you are of as well, and I admit, it stinks to high heaven.

I really could care less about most of the stuff going on here. I post only as I see the need to, and am ignored most of the time by some individuals. Rest assured, though, you start pouncing on Rhoni, you will be pounced back!

Her attitude is godly, as she is. I would rather have one Rhoni praying for me than 5000 long uncut hair gossips who are more interested in who sinned how than promoting the Kingdom. At least she (Rhoni) shows the Holy Ghost!

If I get in trouble for this, fine, but I stand by what i say. Chill out in the personal smart attacks.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Hold up...

Now, I don't care who is what, but Jekyll, you start that kind of mess with Rhoni, you had better be ready for possible repercussions from me. Your attitude and arrogance shows us of what spirit you are of as well, and I admit, it stinks to high heaven.

I really could care less about most of the stuff going on here. I post only as I see the need to, and am ignored most of the time by some individuals. Rest assured, though, you start pouncing on Rhoni, you will be pounced back!

Her attitude is godly, as she is. I would rather have one Rhoni praying for me than 5000 long uncut hair gossips who are more interested in who sinned how than promoting the Kingdom. At least she (Rhoni) shows the Holy Ghost!

If I get in trouble for this, fine, but I stand by what i say. Chill out in the personal smart attacks.

Bro. Price,

Thank-you for continuing the book of Acts, chapter 29 verse 20 to be exact.

Love, Respect, and Blessings,
Rhoni