Is the UPC a Den of Incest (Growth Within)?

[Scott Hutchinson]

I don't know all about this stuff,while I personally am not UPCI,I love the brethren in it,I'm just trying to deal with life on a day to day to basis.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Joie

This is an outrageous thread. Incest, did you say??? Unlawful incest? Incest is not promoting from within... it is far worse.
The UPC may be may be many things but intentional incest is Not one of them. Seems to me in years past the kids were meeting friends at camp that many end up married who had nothing to do w/ their own home church.

No, I did not grow up UPC and do not attend a UPC church

....... I must say the kindest, sweetest, best folks I have ever met are in or came out of the UPC.

Aww, you are a darling girl, and you are right on! You are a precious saint of God and have always had the sweet spirit of Jesus in you.
Luckily the one and only time I attended youth camp I was too young for marriage............
But we did stop at a church in Mississippi once on vacation visiting relatives and I did meet a young man, but then Viet Nam happened, but I always remember that time of my life with great joy and sadness.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I have the burden and am doing all I can.

Do tell, got that cradle ready?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Mrs. LPW View Post
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Man being created first was God's idea...

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Some believe that man being created first was like a practice run.
JHVH looked at His new creation and said to Himself, "I can do better than that" and created a woman.

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

Not really. I just think big families are a good thing. Good for everyone - including the church.

In many cases they are good only in the church.

I am not polygamous, or chauvanistic.

I was not implying or inferring either. What I got out of it was that you had a brief period during which you were evangelistic about large families. 99.9% of the women I have ever spoken to, no matter their religious affiliation, are rabidly defensive about their birth control. Even if they consider themselves "surrendered to God's will" in every other area of their lives. If you tell them they should have more babies, they are ready to take up arms and stage a one-woman shouting mob "civil rights" protest in the style of the best of the radical women's lib and planned parenthood activists.

So I can imagine an intense moment or two when you attempted to convince a crowd of ladies to consider this, and they attempted to convince you to burn yourself at the stake.

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

In many cases they are good only in the church.


I was not implying or inferring either. What I got out of it was that you had a brief period during which you were evangelistic about large families. 99.9% of the women I have ever spoken to, no matter their religious affiliation, are rabidly defensive about their birth control. Even if they consider themselves "surrendered to God's will" in every other area of their lives. If you tell them they should have more babies, they are ready to take up arms and stage a one-woman shouting mob "civil rights" protest in the style of the best of the radical women's lib and planned parenthood activists.

So I can imagine an intense moment or two when you attempted to convince a crowd of ladies to consider this, and they attempted to convince you to burn yourself at the stake.

As a woman that birthed 9 babies I will tell any man that wants a LARGE family, DO IT YOUR SELF!!!!!!!!

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by Jekyll

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What do you think?

I think that a lot of the maladies that we ascribe to the UPCI exist in most organizations - religious or not.

One of the things we've been discussing within my organization is how to bring in new people with new ideas. What we're doing, we've been doing for years, and we realize that there is a certain amount of "incest" as it's been referred to here, in our ranks, as well.

But, only as it pertains to our thought processes - we use the old "But, we've ALWAYS done it this way" mantra way too often.

So, every organization needs new blood to stay vibrant and healthy. Some of the new blood will bring great ideas for change.

However, whatever the change may be, it can't alter our core value and mission, or it's not a good change.

There are always new methods out there to accomplish our main purpose more effectively, but wisdom is required to understand whether this change will help us "do what we do" better, or actually change what we do.

In summary, if we never bring in outsiders with fresh ideas, we'll stagnate and become relics........but, all new ideas are not good ideas.

Just some ramblings on a Sunday morning......

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I think that a lot of the maladies that we ascribe to the UPCI exist in most organizations - religious or not.

One of the things we've been discussing within my organization is how to bring in new people with new ideas. What we're doing, we've been doing for years, and we realize that there is a certain amount of "incest" as it's been referred to here, in our ranks, as well.

But, only as it pertains to our thought processes - we use the old "But, we've ALWAYS done it this way" mantra way too often.

So, every organization needs new blood to stay vibrant and healthy. Some of the new blood will bring great ideas for change.

However, whatever the change may be, it can't alter our core value and mission, or it's not a good change.

There are always new methods out there to accomplish our main purpose more effectively, but wisdom is required to understand whether this change will help us "do what we do" better, or actually change what we do.

In summary, if we never bring in outsiders with fresh ideas, we'll stagnate and become relics........but, all new ideas are not good ideas.

Just some ramblings on a Sunday morning......

Yeah, what he said.

[Rhoni]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

I think that a lot of the maladies that we ascribe to the UPCI exist in most organizations - religious or not.

One of the things we've been discussing within my organization is how to bring in new people with new ideas. What we're doing, we've been doing for years, and we realize that there is a certain amount of "incest" as it's been referred to here, in our ranks, as well.

But, only as it pertains to our thought processes - we use the old "But, we've ALWAYS done it this way" mantra way too often.

So, every organization needs new blood to stay vibrant and healthy. Some of the new blood will bring great ideas for change.

However, whatever the change may be, it can't alter our core value and mission, or it's not a good change.

There are always new methods out there to accomplish our main purpose more effectively, but wisdom is required to understand whether this change will help us "do what we do" better, or actually change what we do.

In summary, if we never bring in outsiders with fresh ideas, we'll stagnate and become relics........but, all new ideas are not good ideas.

Just some ramblings on a Sunday morning......

Bro Phelps,


There is wisdom and truth in this post. Thank-you for calling us to broaden our horizons with God's wisdom and understanding.

Blessigns, Rhoni

[Brother Price]

Anything that does not reproduce and evolve will die. The UPCI started out well, as a group to fellowship and encourage growth and evangelism. But, when the spirit of religion came in and words like "whole truth" were spread about, pride came in and the spiritual inbreeding began. Suddenly, preterists were kicked out, PCIers were not welcomed, and no one could be part of two orgs. Religion became god and Christ became a byword to some of them in leadership. The individual ministers were restrained in what they could and could not do.

But, the winds are blowing, and souls are seeing light outside the UPCI, that others are saved and living a godly life.