Do you consider a fundamentalist, out of touch?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Did Israel ever have one without a KING that she was submitted to?

Seems there is a lot more in that post you need to answer than trying to determine if women can be kings.

God made them prophets, deacons, teachers, and rulers.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

You have implicated that you are against cut hair yet the markers tell me another thing ... including allowing for trimming and layering.

You have implicated that you are a strict constructionist on scripture yet your stand on hair is not ....

I suppose its the whole "it depend on what is , is" argument... I would never tell a woman she could not maintain her hair but she should never shorten the length oh her hair

[Praxeas]

In other words women should let their hair grow long but maintain it to keep it healthy looking by trimming it.

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Seems there is a lot more in that post you need to answer than trying to determine if women can be kings.

God made them prophets, deacons, teachers, and rulers.

Baron, I didn't start this thread to there.. but before I DO go there... isn't it funny how we have to dig and dig to find these handful of apparent exceptions... now compare that to the MEN GOD USED and tell me how the scales weigh out?

Lets start with any of the writers of scripture? Did God choose to use any woman for that?

Lets go to the Major Prophets, any of them women?

How about the Minor Prophets? any of them women?

How about the Disciples, any of them women?

How about the Apostles, any of them women?

How about the Pastors, any of them women?

How about the Bishops, any of them women?

huh? any of them?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

I suppose its the whole "it depend on what is , is" argument... I would never tell a woman she could not maintain her hair but she should never shorten the length oh her hair

So cutting is okay ... just not the length of her hair ...

Care to define this phrase?

This is not a fundamentalist view, you know ... at least in our circles

It is the view of groups like Herbert Armstrong's WCG.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

In other words women should let their hair grow long but maintain it to keep it healthy looking by trimming it.

I believe its a personal call between she and her husband... I have no problem with my wife letting her hair grow long and maintaining it.... if she desires to thin it out,. which does not require cutting the length... if she desires to trim the dead ends... which will not shorten the hair only cause it to grow longer.. then I have no problem with that... its keeping in the Spirit of the Word.. of having long hair

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

So cutting is okay ... just not the length of her hair ...

Care to define this phrase?

This is not a fundamentalist view, you know ... at least in our circles

It is the view of groups like Herbert Armstrong's WCG.

Realizing when you step outside of your cirlces... their are much bigger circles in the world?

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Baron, I didn't start this thread to there.. but before I DO go there... isn't it funny how we have to dig and dig to find these handful of apparent exceptions... now compare that to the MEN GOD USED and tell me how the scales weigh out?

Lets start with any of the writers of scripture? Did God choose to use any woman for that?

Lets go to the Major Prophets, any of them women?

How about the Minor Prophets? any of them women?

How about the Disciples, any of them women?

How about the Apostles, any of them women?

How about the Pastors, any of them women?

How about the Bishops, any of them women?

huh? any of them?

This discussion is veering from the original statement you made as a fundamentalist ... that women should not preach ...

Many Christians maintain women need to submit to men in the divine order ...

So ... I think it's moot to talk about positions ... but rather what you think preaching is ... as a verb .... and why that's a male thing ... and not a female thing.

What makes a women speaking at the pulpit teaching ... and not preaching ...

Or at the supermarket for that matter?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

I believe its a personal call between she and her husband... I have no problem with my wife letting her hair grow long and maintaining it.... if she desires to thin it out,. which does not require cutting the length... if she desires to trim the dead ends... which will not shorten the hair only cause it to grow longer.. then I have no problem with that... its keeping in the Spirit of the Word.. of having long hair

Not to confuse you or anything, but all hair is dead and trimming the ends does NOT help it grow.

However, trimming it does make it look healthier since the split ends are removed.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Baron, I didn't start this thread to there.. but before I DO go there... isn't it funny how we have to dig and dig to find these handful of apparent exceptions... now compare that to the MEN GOD USED and tell me how the scales weigh out?

Lets start with any of the writers of scripture? Did God choose to use any woman for that?

Lets go to the Major Prophets, any of them women?

How about the Minor Prophets? any of them women?

How about the Disciples, any of them women?

How about the Apostles, any of them women?

How about the Pastors, any of them women?

How about the Bishops, any of them women?

huh? any of them?

The fact that God did use women at a time in history when the overall view of a woman was very low is amazing. The fact that he did use women as rulers, prophets, teachers, and deacons is a testament to the fact that he DID desire this. My pastor who was raised in a Jewish home told me about a prayer that his grandfather prayed thanking God he was not born a woman or a Gentile, even in that culture God was able to use women.