what is true holiness? where do we draw the line ? what is of the world. we all want to see His Face. TELEVISION, BEARDS, LONG HAIR, WOMENS UNCUT HAIR, SHORT SLEVES, LONG DRESSES, NO SHORTS, GOING TO THE MOVIES. AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.... TRUE HOLINESS IS SEPERATION FROM THE WORLD.
True Holiness is not separation from the world; people separate themselves from the world and are not holy. True Holiness is separation unto God.
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
Only God is holy, and separation from the world does not make you holy, makes you look like a freak with an attitude.
The evidences of holiness in a person’s life is not speaking in tongues, shaving, wearing long sleeves and living by the UPC Articles of Faith.
The evidences that you have the Holy Ghost is the fruit of the Spirit.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
I know in the UPC we have always been taught that the evidence of the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues, and I have seen people who were good tongue talkers, but did not have the fruit. The evidences that you have received the Holy Ghost maybe speaking in tongues, but 5 years later all you are doing is speaking in tongues and there is no fruit, it might be a sign that you don’t have the Holy Ghost like you think.
We also have been taught that the way we dress and separation from the world shows how holy we are, and there are women who will not cut their hair and men who will not grow beards, but there is no evidence of the fruit of the Spirit in their lives. I have grown up around people that dress holy, but have nasty, filthy attitudes.
So what is real holiness? It can only come from God, can not be fabricated or passed on to the next generation through our Articles of Faith or religious traditions.
I believe that true holiness comes from having holiness and righteousness imputed to us through the blood of Jesus Christ. No man can be "holy" by himself. For practical purposes I believe that living holy is best done by obeying the Ten Commandments. All the "standards" that we observe are ways of insuring Christian modesty in the realms of appearance and entertainment. Holiness is being pure in heart. Those are my initial thoughts on this.
what is true holiness? where do we draw the line ? what is of the world. we all want to see His Face. TELEVISION, BEARDS, LONG HAIR, WOMENS UNCUT HAIR, SHORT SLEVES, LONG DRESSES, NO SHORTS, GOING TO THE MOVIES. AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.... TRUE HOLINESS IS SEPERATION FROM THE WORLD.
Your presmise is wrong. Standards are not holiness.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
True Holiness is not separation from the world; people separate themselves from the world and are not holy. True Holiness is separation unto God.
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
Only God is holy, and separation from the world does not make you holy, makes you look like a freak with an attitude.
The evidences of holiness in a person’s life is not speaking in tongues, shaving, wearing long sleeves and living by the UPC Articles of Faith.
The evidences that you have the Holy Ghost is the fruit of the Spirit.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
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Excellent.
__________________ "I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
what is true holiness? where do we draw the line ? what is of the world. we all want to see His Face. TELEVISION, BEARDS, LONG HAIR, WOMENS UNCUT HAIR, SHORT SLEVES, LONG DRESSES, NO SHORTS, GOING TO THE MOVIES. AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.... TRUE HOLINESS IS SEPERATION FROM THE WORLD.
This message is the kind of "conservative" ideas I wouldn't want these boards to be flooded with...
What I desire is the ones I've heard some of you talk about that used to be here, and some still are.
Give me indepth research via the scriptures. I will gladly be convinced if the evidence is there! With my whole heart!
Not just 1 verse and say "this is what that verse means", cuz 10 people could do the same thing. I want something that you can stand on, not something the storms come against and it waves, bows, and even breaks beneath the fight.
Holiness is needed - yes that is apparent in the bible.
I believe that true holiness comes from having holiness and righteousness imputed to us through the blood of Jesus Christ. No man can be "holy" by himself. For practical purposes I believe that living holy is best done by obeying the Ten Commandments. All the "standards" that we observe are ways of insuring Christian modesty in the realms of appearance and entertainment. Holiness is being pure in heart. Those are my initial thoughts on this.
God bless.
Amen.
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"Most human beings are not able to stand the message of the shaking of foundations. They reject and attack the prophetic minds, not because they really disagree with them, but because they sense the truth of their words and cannot receive it." Paul Tillich
I believe that true holiness comes from having holiness and righteousness imputed to us through the blood of Jesus Christ. No man can be "holy" by himself. For practical purposes I believe that living holy is best done by obeying the Ten Commandments. All the "standards" that we observe are ways of insuring Christian modesty in the realms of appearance and entertainment. Holiness is being pure in heart. Those are my initial thoughts on this.
God bless.
No one can be "holy" IN HIMSELF (by his own works of the flesh or logical means)this is the teaching of scripture as it takes God's direction to be holy and walk acceptable to him thus obediance.
Your point on the Ten Commandments is a good start but clearly is not a end all to God's Word nor his complete expectations of how to live a holy or set apart for him. Mark 12:29-30 gives the basic law and principle by which all things are based. It does not cover all thigns God wants but it shows the heart or proper response a faithful one would have to God, yourself, his people and the world around us. Though Mark12:29-30 covers the over all it does not cover some things God wishes us to do and not to do but it does cover the heart matter.
Holiness is so true in what you said and that is pure of heart but that pureness of heart is seen or revealed by our response to God's laws and his will.
Your presmise is wrong. Standards are not holiness.
Depends on what your definiton of standard is, as it is abused and misused!
All law given by God is holiness. Thus they are standards. THe problem is people make personal convictions = with God's law and make them standards for everyone else.
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