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09-17-2008, 07:08 PM
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Re: To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Allow me to jump in with a question here:
If in 2008, approximately 1 out of 5 members of an Apostolic Christian forum were against interracial marriage (20%...your numbers)... do you not consider those numbers to be disturbing?
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No. I do not. For the most part, it is not a biblical doctrine as much as it is a personal preferance. I am persoanlly not bothered by this. It was stated for the sake of the children and other reasons.
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09-17-2008, 07:20 PM
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Did anyone find my keys
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Re: To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Wait a second.
Are you really serious with this?
So according to your own estimate, maybe 20% of Apostolics have a problem with interracial relationships and marriages......and you're making it sound like you think that's an acceptable number!!??
Think about that -- we're talking about 1 out of 5 "saints".
Good grief.
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Absolutely not! My point was that author of this thread is intentionally misrepresenting the majority opinion on CAF on this subject. For whatever reason, I can't begin to speculate, he has chosen to try and run down that forum. I would suggest that 20 percent is unacceptable but I don't think that 20 percent is the actual number. The poll he started got a total of about 30 responses and 40 votes and faded off into obscurity within 2 days. I never saw it and never voted in the poll. So add 1 more to the "no problem with it" catergory. I suggest that if another poll was taken and kept alive for a week or so the percentages would even lower. Low enough to be considered statistically insignifficant. this thread was started with the express purpose of degrading another forum. I'm just setting the record strait.
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09-17-2008, 07:22 PM
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Re: To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers
For the sake of discussion for all:
I went back and read the thread at CAF with this "poll"
This particular thread is 3 pages long and no one necessarily posted against interracial marriage.
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09-17-2008, 07:26 PM
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Re: To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers
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Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4
Thumper,
Please read my entry post! I never affirmed CAF's entire membership roster as anti-interracial marriage, thus rendering your accusations preposterous and absurd!
You stated: "general discourse on this subject was overwhelmingly positive towards interracial marriage."
In overwhelming one must overcome by superior force or numbers. In this circumstance the numbers were 20% opposing interracial marriage.It's that percentage that misrepresents your forum! Get your facts straight sir, I've not misrepresented nobody!
Once again I never lied! You confirmed the percentage in a previous post.
p.s. stay away from country music, it's polluting your soul!
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You can try and spin this any way you would like now but the fact of the matter is you are just blowing smoke. My question is why. I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually.
In the mean time continue on it seems to be something very enjoyable for you.
p.s. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about in your country music reference.
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09-17-2008, 07:27 PM
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Re: To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers
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Originally Posted by Thumper
Absolutely not! My point was that author of this thread is intentionally misrepresenting the majority opinion on CAF on this subject. For whatever reason, I can't begin to speculate, he has chosen to try and run down that forum. I would suggest that 20 percent is unacceptable but I don't think that 20 percent is the actual number. The poll he started got a total of about 30 responses and 40 votes and faded off into obscurity within 2 days. I never saw it and never voted in the poll. So add 1 more to the "no problem with it" catergory. I suggest that if another poll was taken and kept alive for a week or so the percentages would even lower. Low enough to be considered statistically insignifficant. this thread was started with the express purpose of degrading another forum. I'm just setting the record strait.
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Correct, I was posting as you were.
As to why he left CAF, we only have speculations, but I do remember him and the way that he posted.
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09-17-2008, 07:27 PM
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Re: To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Allow me to jump in with a question here:
If in 2008, approximately 1 out of 5 members of an Apostolic Christian forum were against interracial marriage (20%...your numbers)... do you not consider those numbers to be disturbing?
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see post above
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09-17-2008, 07:42 PM
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Go Dodgers!
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Re: To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers
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Originally Posted by myhaloisintheshop
This is a subject that has recently came up at my church.
We have a young lady that invited a young man to church one night. She's white...he's black....They are both just starting college classes.
Anyway after church at dinner with pastor and his daughter and her family, Pastor asked if we knew who had invited the young man. He commented on how polite he was and just seemed to be a good guy.
When I told him that this young lady brought him he remarked "I hope she isnt' thinking of dating him!"
mind you I have NEVER been around ministers that have had an issue with interracial relationships. I said...well maybe later on when he gets in church.
I got shot the funniest looks. I just stared at the pastor's daughter and she whispered..."she doesn't need to date a black man at all is his point"
Im still infuriated about it. Its pure ignorance.
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Was she a member of the church? Was the young man saved or just visiting from another church?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-17-2008, 07:45 PM
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Re: To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Wait a second.
Are you really serious with this?
So according to your own estimate, maybe 20% of Apostolics have a problem with interracial relationships and marriages......and you're making it sound like you think that's an acceptable number!!??
Think about that -- we're talking about 1 out of 5 "saints".
Good grief.
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Let's be fair about this...some of them simply believe they would advise against such marriages because of the issues they might face in a particular culture...I am assuming in the south or something. That does not mean they are against inter- racial marriages or are racists.
However I think it should totally be THEIR choice and not anyone elses. I don't personally believe a pastor should offer such advice since what is good for a marriage is the character of those getting married
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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09-17-2008, 07:45 PM
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Re: To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Was she a member of the church? Was the young man saved or just visiting from another church?
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Either way the pastor should have not said this however I have myself met many pastors who are so freaked out by interracial marriages its hysterical!
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09-17-2008, 07:46 PM
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Re: To All CAF'ers, EA'ers, and AFF'ers
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
IMHO...that "think about the children" line is usually just nonsense to cover up latent prejudices that people have toward these types of relationships.
THEY don't want to accept it, so they say stuff like "society wont accept it".
Too many times there's just a lot of hypocrisy with that, plain and simple.
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Maybe, maybe not....If they lived in an area where such tensions exist then it might hold true. Otherwise I would generally agree. Some of that is not racism though but ignorance
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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