Insult Islam, get sent to prison?

Praxeas · #1 01-22-2009, 04:28 PM

A member of parliament in the Netherlands who has been charged with "insulting" Muslims says he fears he will be found guilty and sent to prison in only a few months.

An appeals court on Wednesday overturned a previous decision by prosecutors not to charge Geert Wilders, and ordered that he stand trial.

Wilders, who produced a controversial film that was highly critical of the Koran last year, says he faces a maximum of two years in prison if convicted. He said he had expected to be charged, and he has retained legal assistance from a U.S.-based nonprofit to help him defend himself.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,481665,00.html

Can this happen here? Do you think it will? I have to ask, how did it come to this in a place like the Netherlands? How about Austrailia where a preacher was charged with crimes for speaking against Islam? How did Islam get so strong in a nation that was never Islamic to begin with? What other nations started out "non-islamic" but ended up that way? Lebanon used to be a Christian nation..

berkeley · #2 01-22-2009, 04:34 PM

reminds me of a dream that I had few yrs ago

TRFrance · #3 01-22-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

Can this happen here? Do you think it will? I have to ask, how did it come to this in a place like the Netherlands? How about Austrailia where a preacher was charged with crimes for speaking against Islam? How did Islam get so strong in a nation that was never Islamic to begin with? What other nations started out "non-islamic" but ended up that way? Lebanon used to be a Christian nation..

It definitely will happen here one day.
I'm certain of it.

The Netherlands, Australia, etc, are more liberal than we are here.
Canada is too, and they have pretty serious "hate-speech" laws that have been used against preachers.

The US is on it's way to becoming similar to Canada and Europe politically and socially.
That same kind of junk will come here one day... and soon, if groups like the ACLU have their way.

Bible-based Christianity is on it's way to becoming Public Enemy #1 in America and around the world.

Sam · #4 01-22-2009, 04:55 PM

In my opinion, just quoting certain portions of the Scriptures will be considered "hate speech" and will be subject to prosecution by law in this country in time.

Right now we have certain crimes considered "hate crimes." The only reason the crime is considered a "hate crime" is because it is committed against certain groups designated "minorities."

In other words, murdering a person of another race, gender, or sexual preference is a more serious crime than murdering someone of your own race, gender, or sexual preference.

Aquila · #5 01-22-2009, 05:26 PM

I've got mixed feelings. While I don't think it's right to limit speech... I think we must take responsibility for what we say.

For example the "hate speech" situation. I remember a previous pastor of mine getting on a rant and using the word "f@gs" while preaching. It was a virtual hate fest with people cheering him on as he attacked their godlessness and their "agenda" etc. What bothered me is that he wasn't preaching against sin, he was preaching against people. These are just sinners like the rest of us. I think issues such as homosexuality are very sensitive and a responsible minister should address it with sensitivity that shows a love for the sinner, but a warning regarding the sin. I think some subjects shouldn't be taught from the pulpit. Some things are better discussed frankly in a more private environment strictly to adults without the emotionalism. I remember thinking, "My son will grow up thinking it's okay to call gay people 'f@gs'." That was disturbing to me. So while I think pastors should address various sins, I think it should be done responsibly.

berkeley · #6 01-22-2009, 05:32 PM

Aquila, he had to prove that he is against homosexuality. Making vulgar comments is the proof.

Tim Rutledge · #7 01-22-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I've got mixed feelings. While I don't think it's right to limit speech... I think we must take responsibility for what we say.

For example the "hate speech" situation. I remember a previous pastor of mine getting on a rant and using the word "f@gs" while preaching. It was a virtual hate fest with people cheering him on as he attacked their godlessness and their "agenda" etc. What bothered me is that he wasn't preaching against sin, he was preaching against people. These are just sinners like the rest of us. I think issues such as homosexuality are very sensitive and a responsible minister should address it with sensitivity that shows a love for the sinner, but a warning regarding the sin. I think some subjects shouldn't be taught from the pulpit. Some things are better discussed frankly in a more private environment strictly to adults without the emotionalism. I remember thinking, "My son will grow up thinking it's okay to call gay people 'f@gs'." That was disturbing to me. So while I think pastors should address various sins, I think it should be done responsibly.

I respectfully disagree. Sin needs to appear to be exceedingly sinful.

The words queer, fag and pervert are perfect descriptions of sodomites.

I do see where your coming from.. I just totally disagree.

Queers don't want sympathy they want acceptance.

berkeley · #8 01-22-2009, 06:05 PM

The bible does not use the words "queer" and "fag" to describe them.

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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

I respectfully disagree. Sin needs to appear to be exceedingly sinful.

The words queer, fag and pervert are perfect descriptions of sodomites.

I do see where your coming from.. I just totally disagree.

Queers don't want sympathy they want acceptance.

Praxeas · #9 01-22-2009, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

I've got mixed feelings. While I don't think it's right to limit speech... I think we must take responsibility for what we say.

For example the "hate speech" situation. I remember a previous pastor of mine getting on a rant and using the word "f@gs" while preaching. It was a virtual hate fest with people cheering him on as he attacked their godlessness and their "agenda" etc. What bothered me is that he wasn't preaching against sin, he was preaching against people. These are just sinners like the rest of us. I think issues such as homosexuality are very sensitive and a responsible minister should address it with sensitivity that shows a love for the sinner, but a warning regarding the sin. I think some subjects shouldn't be taught from the pulpit. Some things are better discussed frankly in a more private environment strictly to adults without the emotionalism. I remember thinking, "My son will grow up thinking it's okay to call gay people 'f@gs'." That was disturbing to me. So while I think pastors should address various sins, I think it should be done responsibly.

I think "hate speech" should only be direct calls for violance like "Kill gays"

People have to take responsibility for their own actions. That is part of our problem in America we want to blame someone else. Blame whites. Blame Bush. Blame Christians. Blame republicans

Praxeas · #10 01-22-2009, 06:12 PM

BTW the bible does not call them gays either....even gays call themselves queers lol