This is not meant sound harsh or unkind,or mean spirited.
How can people who have a revelation of the oneness of God and Jesus Name baptism go to Trinity churches and sit under Trinitarian pastors ?
I understand that sometimes things might arise in a local oneness church where people might have to leave their assembly.
I understand there are valid reasons where someone might have to leave their church,but is going to a Trinity church the answer ?
If I didn't have anywhere to go,I could home church.
If faced between going to a Trinity church or home church home church I believe would be my option.
I don't hate Trinitarians but it would be hard to sit under that teaching myself.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
This is not meant sound harsh or unkind,or mean spirited.
How can people who have a revelation of the oneness of God and Jesus Name baptism go to Trinity churches and sit under Trinitarian pastors ?
I understand that sometimes things might arise in a local oneness church where people might have to leave their assembly.
I understand there are valid reasons where someone might have to leave their church,but is going to a Trinity church the answer ?
If I didn't have anywhere to go,I could home church.
If faced between going to a Trinity church or home church home church I believe would be my option.
I don't hate Trinitarians but it would be hard to sit under that teaching myself.
From my experience most Trinitarians are not tri-theists. Tritheism is where I would run into a real problem. But then again, sitting still long enough while someone drones on about any topic is difficult for me - whether I agree with them or not.
I don't know what kind of question needs a "Trinitarian church" to be the answer - I'm sure there are probably many. Fact of the matter is, most of the independent types of churches that would attract someone from this crowd probably focus on Jesus Christ as Lord anyway and the whole "Trinity" thing is never a consideration.
OK PEL but could someone from a Jesus Name background go where baptism in titles is practiced ?
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
Doctrinal issues bother me more than other issues. I don't mind visiting other denominations for special occasions, but I wouldn't feel comfortable making a church my "home" if I didn't agree with the core doctrines. I also wouldn't want false doctrine to influence my children.
My husband grew up Assembly of God, his dad is DEFINITELY a tri-theist. He believes there are three thrones in heaven, and gets mad if you try to say differently. Jeff is more opposed to going to trinitarian churches than I am, because he grew up that way and feels (rightfully) that God brought him OUT of false doctrine. He has no desire to go back.
I've met trinitarians who essentially believe in one God, but MOST I've encountered believe there are three separate entities/deities. Baptism is the most bothersome issue to me, though. I can't understand why everything BUT baptism is done in the name of Jesus.
For perspective, when I was growing up we fellowshipped with local Assembly of God ministers, I attended a trinitarian school, and most of my mother's side of the family is Baptist. Also, my husband is the only one in his family who isn't trinitarian. They are VERY dogmatic about it! His father once disowned him (temporarily) because Jeff quoted Isaiah 9:6 to him, and said he would rather Jeff was Catholic, Mormon or Jehovah's Witness than "Jesus-Only!" (his words--I don't agree with the idea of being "Jesus-Only.") I have found many trinitarians to be more pushy and defensive about their doctrine than we are about ours. Not across the board, obviously, but many of them are.
Personally, I don't care if people don't understand what they say they believe--if the church overall supports a false doctrine, then I don't want to be part of it. I wouldn't attend a oneness church that openly taught, pushed and practiced false doctrine, so why would I attend a trinitarian church?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
OK PEL but could someone from a Jesus Name background go where baptism in titles is practiced ?
Personally, I was upset to see baptisms happen at my former COGIC church.
The Pastor told me he indeed used the titles, but also used the name of Jesus.
"I baptize you in the Name of of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, in the Name of Jesus."
I witnessed his baptisms. That's not what he did.
I won't even speak about the dishonesty.
I'm speaking about how that well intentioned folks were lead to practice a Biblical tenet in a way that is not Biblical. It was saddening more than maddening.
Attending the COGIC church I did was not my first choice, but after witnessing the baptisms, I really didn't think I could stay there much longer.
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"The choices we make reveal the true nature of our character."
I go to a "trinity" church.
I've be going there since the spring of 2006.
Before that I went to a Vineyard for almost 14 years.
I am a one-stepper so therefore, in my opinion, these folks are as "saved" as anyone.
As far as the teachings of "trinity" and "oneness" there is no single oneness teaching and no single trinity teaching. All of our explanations of our triune God are pretty much the same. I realize there are some among oneness who believe Jesus became God at His baptism and ceased being God before He could die on the cross, and among trinitarians there may be those who believe in three thrones, but I would think these are the exceptions on either end of the scale. The oneness and trinity folks I am familiar with both seem to believe pretty much the same.
Folks in oneness and trinity churches both receive the Holy Ghost Baptism.
It is my personal opinion that the condition of the heart of a person is more important than the amount of water or the words spoken during the ritual of baptism.
Tomorrow, Wednesday, and Friday I will be in meetings with "trinity" folks who love the Lord, who speak with tongues, and who are sincerely serving Him. I consider them my brothers and sisters and members in the Body of Christ.
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Sam also known as Jim Ellis
Apostolic in doctrine
Pentecostal in experience
Charismatic in practice
Non-denominational in affiliation
Inter-denominational in fellowship
I go to a "trinity" church.
I've be going there since the spring of 2006.
Before that I went to a Vineyard for almost 14 years.
I am a one-stepper so therefore, in my opinion, these folks are as "saved" as anyone.
As far as the teachings of "trinity" and "oneness" there is no single oneness teaching and no single trinity teaching. All of our explanations of our triune God are pretty much the same. I realize there are some among oneness who believe Jesus became God at His baptism and ceased being God before He could die on the cross, and among trinitarians there may be those who believe in three thrones, but I would think these are the exceptions on either end of the scale. The oneness and trinity folks I am familiar with both seem to believe pretty much the same.
Folks in oneness and trinity churches both receive the Holy Ghost Baptism.
It is my personal opinion that the condition of the heart of a person is more important than the amount of water or the words spoken during the ritual of baptism.
Tomorrow, Wednesday, and Friday I will be in meetings with "trinity" folks who love the Lord, who speak with tongues, and who are sincerely serving Him. I consider them my brothers and sisters and members in the Body of Christ.
I don't considered Holy Ghost filled Trinitarians to be hell bound.
I'd invite them to my house.
If I had children, they could play with their children.
But there is a difference in doctrine, a clear difference.
Baptism in Jesus Name is correct-- commanded and practiced by the New Testament Christians.
Baptism any other way that leaves out the Name of Jesus is incorrect.
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"The choices we make reveal the true nature of our character."
OK PEL but could someone from a Jesus Name background go where baptism in titles is practiced ?
Obviously, they could. But how would they feel? How would they interact? How long would they last if they started rocking the boat?
I think that for someone to actually support a ministry that dunks (or anything else) people in water using "the titles" and to participate in a full Christian fellowship with them would probably have a view of baptism and/or the name of Jesus that is compatible with such a practice anyhow.
So I guess, they'd be in a place where they "fit in."
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