Gay apostolics?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

Our churches are filled with imperfect people. We have adulterers, child molesters, wife beaters, thieves, gays, cheaters and etc. in our congregations. Many of these are in leadership. We are all saved by the grace of God.

But....we shouldn't broadcast our imperfections to the point that God loves and accepts us as we are. I believe God wants us to at least strive to be better and become an example of how others with imperfections can overcome and live a victorious life!

Sin is sin.

But I sure am glad that God didn't throw this lump of clay away-- or anyone who has a desire to live for the Lord.



I have a problem with folks who call themselves Christian but revel in sin as if it is not wrong. The Bible tells us to mark those and to simply disfellowship them-- in hopes that the shunning will lead to an end to the open rebellion and to the beginning of repentance and restoration.

"Gay Apostolics", "J W's", "Mormons"-- they are all in the same hell-bound casket unless they repent.

And then God has to grant them repentance, which is another can of worms....

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

Our churches are filled with imperfect people. We have adulterers, child molesters, wife beaters, thieves, gays, cheaters and etc. in our congregations. Many of these are in leadership. We are all saved by the grace of God.

That's the problem the church shouldn't be filled with them folks, confront them, rebuke them and if no repentance then have nothing to do with them not even eat a biscuit with them.

[franklyn4]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Sin is sin.

But I sure am glad that God didn't throw this lump of clay away-- or anyone who has a desire to live for the Lord.



I have a problem with folks who call themselves Christian but revel in sin as if it is not wrong. The Bible tells us to mark those and to simply disfellowship them-- in hopes that the shunning will lead to an end to the open rebellion and to the beginning of repentance and restoration.

"Gay Apostolics", "J W's", "Mormons"-- they are all in the same hell-bound casket unless they repent.

And then God has to grant them repentance, which is another can of worms....

JD your right. All of us are struggling in some area of our lives at this present moment and all of us repent and ask forgiveness for our sins daily. One may be struggling with lust, another lying, another gossiping, another fornication, adultery and yes homosexuality.

Any individual who is PURPOSELY and INTENTIONALLY living in a manner that is opposed to God's word CANT be a true believer. PERIOD. You cant be a spirit filled person who is intentionally living a gay, adulterous, lying, fornicating, gossiping, hateful, jealousy, spiteful lifestyle.

There is a difference between living in open rebellion and putting the carnal mind and its activities under subjection.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Bryan

Anyway. The church is stronger against this issue, and for good reason. Fornication is a sin. Within the bounds of marriage it is just sex, and no longer a sin.
Homosexuality is not natural. The body was not made for "that." And the behavior is never sanctified like natural man/woman relations is in marriage. Guess I'm just rambling.

That says it all.
Good to see there are still some folks can tell it straight, just like it is.

There are obviously some folks, church folks, who have difficulty just calling sin sin. Or if they do call it sin, they feel the need to sugarcoat it first.

Absurd.
And sad.

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

obviously the apostles didn't have a problem rebuking. I'd dare say we would probably have less junk in church if the bible was followed.

2 Timothy 4:2
Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

1 Timothy 5:20
Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Titus 1:13
This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

Titus 2:15
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

Passage Ephesians 5:11:

11And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.

[commonfaith]

Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

That's beautiful... I was touched by this post.

Ha ha ha, Fritz ya really got me to laughin at your response to my post" I was touched by this post". It aint hard to get me to lafin, because there's a whole lot of it in my wife and I's house along with my 3 children and 5 grandchildren in their homes, but it's something we work at, to let nothing interfere with it, ya know what I mean. Fritz, if you had any idea as to what a weak cowardly cretin I was before I found this power that transformed me into an God loving, scripture obeying, devil hating, sinner loving defender of the common faith you'd that's a beautiful post! Ha ha ha, when I post a little meat amongst a bunch of milk drinker's, I'm percieved as an orgre and a troll, know what I mean? I love everybody, including unnatural men and women(homosexuals) included, but like 2Corinthians 12:15 .........nevertheless, the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved. Ha ha ha, have a great day.

[OnTheFritz]

Originally Posted by commonfaith

Ha ha ha, Fritz ya really got me to laughin at your response to my post" I was touched by this post". It aint hard to get me to lafin, because there's a whole lot of it in my wife and I's house along with my 3 children and 5 grandchildren in their homes, but it's something we work at, to let nothing interfere with it, ya know what I mean. Fritz, if you had any idea as to what a weak cowardly cretin I was before I found this power that transformed me into an God loving, scripture obeying, devil hating, sinner loving defender of the common faith you'd that's a beautiful post! Ha ha ha, when I post a little meat amongst a bunch of milk drinker's, I'm percieved as an orgre and a troll, know what I mean? I love everybody, including unnatural men and women(homosexuals) included, but like 2Corinthians 12:15 .........nevertheless, the more abundantly I love you, the less I am loved. Ha ha ha, have a great day.

It's all good, my brother... Don't let the milk-drinkers get ya down.

It's not the natural sin I'm worried about, but rather the UNNATURAL sin... All of my sins past, present and future are Grade A 100% natural, good ol' fashioned American sins. I got none of them left-wing, abominable commie sins I hear about from them limp-wristed, piano playin' demon'crats (can I get an amen?). Then there's my three-strikes-and-your-out sinner policy. I start out hatin' the sin and lovin' the sinner, but after strike three it becomes out-and-out hate for the sin AND the sinner. I will not abide sin amongst my presence for an extended period of time. Upon submitting proper notice, I will no longer break bread, make eye contact or walk on the same side of the road as one of them sweet-natured, tap-dancin', lily-livered unnatural sinners I keep hearing about.

Whew. That was fun.

All the funnin' aside - you sound like a good dude. God bless.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

So if Jesus is your uncle's friend, he is saved??

Jesus is everyone's friend....while we were yet sinners he died for us all.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by franklyn4

So whats the difference between them repenting a million times and you repenting a million times for your sins? How many times have you repented for the same sin? Do you need a miracle too? Lol.

Reading your post you sound like you dont sin at all. lol.

I'm not sinless. I have good days and bad days. I have days of victory and days of failure. I imagine my struggles with sin are no different than theirs.

And yes...I do need a miracle in my life to help me overcome some things. I do know this...even if that miracle never comes on this side...it will come when I'm glorified and like him.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus is everyone's friend....while we were yet sinners he died for us all.

Do you consider your uncle saved?

[Praxeas]

I'd welcome an individual that wrestled with the temptation but rejected it than someone that thought it was God's will for him to sodomize another man.