Deltaguitar-Salvation Requires More Than Faith!

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

I answered your question. Faith without works is dead. It's our faith that allows us to believe and become obedient.

Hmmm, . . . I think I am disagreeing a little. I will respond later.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

I gave you a simple example and you still don't understand. I don't know what else to tell you. Other people here understood. Perhaps you should PM them, that they may interpret in whatever method you would understand.

I have exalted Jesus Christ right in front of you, and still you don't understand.

But thanks for editing you last post.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I have exalted Jesus Christ right in front of you, and still you don't understand.

Where are you? I don't see anyone in front of me!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Where are you? I don't see anyone in front of me!

Can you understand the my point in saying that the emphasis must be placed upon Jesus Christ when we are talking about salvation?

You pointed out; and pointed out correctly, as I said; all of the "you" type references in the passage from Romans 6.

My response was to simply point out and emphasize all of the "Him" type references in the same passage.

Same verses of Scripture, just a different emphasis. I feel that difference is important enought to point out.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Can you understand the my point in saying that the emphasis must be placed upon Jesus Christ when we are talking about salvation?

You pointed out; and pointed out correctly, as I said; all of the "you" type references in the passage from Romans 6.

My response was to simply point out and emphasize all of the "Him" type references in the same passage.

Same verses of Scripture, just a different emphasis. I feel that difference is important enought to point out.

Pelathais,


In Romans 6, are we buried with Christ through water baptism? A yes or no answer will suffice.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

KWSS,

I already addressed that issue. Salvation in the New Testament also requires one to believe that God raised Jesus from death (Romans 10:9) The thief couldn't have been saved under the new dispensation because Jesus hadn't yet died. Furthermore, Jesus was the last sacrificial sin offering in the Old Testament, thus transferring the thief's sins upon Himself.

Regarding death bed repepntance, comapare that to Romans 6:3-11. Without water baptism, the death bed repenter is:

NOT baptized into His death -Romans 6:3
NOT buried with Him -Romans 6:4
NOT raised with Him -Romans 6:4
NOT united with Him in His resurrection -Romans 6:5
NOT crucified with Him -Romans 6:6
STILL slaves to sin -Romans 6:7
NOT free from sin -Romans 6:7
NOT live with Him -Romans 6:8
NOT dead to sin -Romans 6:11
NOT alive to God -Romans 6:11

Since you sincerely believe it takes a human work to save us; then one could argue we are co-laborers in our own salvation. Also, since all this obedience is required, why don't we start with the greatest commands...loving God and your neighbor as yourself. Why don't we continue in treating others as you would want to be treated.

You see if you're going to argue we can save ourselves, then you're going to have to be perfect to be saved. Your righteousness is going to have to exceed that of the pharisees.

I know of very few Christians, who truly love their neighbor as they love themselves, and I know very few Christians who treat others as they would want to be treated. This is the fundamentals of our faith and on these commands hinge all others.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Since you sincerely believe it takes a human work to save us; then one could argue we are co-laborers in our own salvation. Also, since all this obedience is required, why don't we start with the greatest commands...loving God and your neighbor as yourself. Why don't we continue in treating others as you would want to be treated.

You see if you're going to argue we can save ourselves, then you're going to have to be perfect to be saved. Your righteousness is going to have to exceed that of the pharisees.

I know of very few Christians, who truly love their neighbor as they love themselves, and I know very few Christians who treat others as they would want to be treated. This is the fundamentals of our faith and on these commands hinge all others.

Yeah, and what about this.

James 2:10-11 (New International Version)
10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery,"[a] also said, "Do not murder."[b] If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.

If you want to bring your obedience into play then you have to perfectly obey. I mean how do we love our neighbor perfectly.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by staysharp

Since you sincerely believe it takes a human work to save us; then one could argue we are co-laborers in our own salvation. Also, since all this obedience is required, why don't we start with the greatest commands...loving God and your neighbor as yourself. Why don't we continue in treating others as you would want to be treated.

You see if you're going to argue we can save ourselves, then you're going to have to be perfect to be saved. Your righteousness is going to have to exceed that of the pharisees.


I know of very few Christians, who truly love their neighbor as they love themselves, and I know very few Christians who treat others as they would want to be treated. This is the fundamentals of our faith and on these commands hinge all others.

Go argue with James.... Obviously you didn't understand. Perhaps you should contact the witch of Endor and have her conjure James, Paul, etc.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Pelathais,


In Romans 6, are we buried with Christ through water baptism? A yes or no answer will suffice.

uh... I missed the question entirely. You made a statement. I responded with another statement inviting you to look at it from another angle. And, I said I agreed with your first statement, as far as it goes.

I have just found that there's a little more spring in my step when I walk with Him as opposed to when I try and drag Him around with me.

Just two different ways of doing the samething. I think one is better, but you're free to disagree. That's why we have the Internets.

[staysharp]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Go argue with James.... Obviously you didn't understand. Perhaps you should contact the witch of Endor and have her conjure James, Paul, etc.

This is the best you can do? unbelievable