Collateral Damage

[Ron]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Renda, the unavoidable fact is that there are situations that arise where a judgment call has to be made, and a principle has to be applied.

Somebody has to determine what the line for the assembly is.

The pastor has to do it.

Amen CS!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Yes, boundaries such as the list Coonskinner started. Boundaries that are Biblical - not rules that aren't.

If more was taught on prayer (for the saints) and they all develop that close personal walk with God would there been need for silly rules?

AMEN!!!!

People come to me for rules all the time. I loathe that.

I normally kneel down and pray with them, ask them why they feel the need for a rule, and then point them to the Word.

Usually, they can decipher truth from that experience without me seeming like an evil dictator.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Renda, the unavoidable fact is that there are situations that arise where a judgment call has to be made, and a principle has to be applied.

Somebody has to determine what the line for the assembly is.

The pastor has to do it.

I agree!

But, those aren't the silly rules I'm talking about and you know what I'm saying.

Some people NEED much more instruction, but as a pastor, that instruction always needs to be Bible based and not "his opinion".

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Jam 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same [is] a perfect man, [and] able also to bridle the whole body. .

That's what I was getting at (or trying) earlier in my post. Thanks for supplying the scripture reference.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I agree with you but what role does the Teacher have in terms of exacting those eternal consequenses based on their interpretation or personal conviction.

In my mind they cease to be teachers at that point.

Case in point, go read about the "teacher" at last evenings AMC meeting.

Carp,

I know you have issues with DP.

I don't know him, and have never heard him preach even once. All I know is hearsay. He might not be exactly my cup of tea if all I hear is true...but then, I probably could handle someone like him better than some mealy-mouthed, timid soul who can't ever make a strong stand on anything.

If I drive souls away because I preach non-essentials in such a vitriolic way that people are wrecked and damaged, God will hold me accountable for my lack of wisdom. Only He is wise enough and just enough to do that.

But, on the other hand, those folks who walk away because of some disagreement are going to have to stand in the judgment with folks whose love for God was great enough that they endured to the end through hardships much more severe than some heavy-handed preacher.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

I agree!

But, those aren't the silly rules I'm talking about and you know what I'm saying.

Some people NEED much more instruction, but as a pastor, that instruction always needs to be Bible based and not "his opinion".

Virtually every standard you can name is based on an application of some Biblical principle, Renda.

You may disagree with the application, but it cannot be said to be just opinion, with no Scriptural basis whatsoever.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Carp,

I know you have issues with DP.

I don't know him, and have never heard him preach even once. All I know is hearsay. He might not be exactly my cup of tea if all I hear is true...but then, I probably could handle someone like him better than some mealy-mouthed, timid soul who can't ever make a strong stand on anything.

If I drive souls away because I preach non-essentials in such a vitriolic way that people are wrecked and damaged, God will hold me accountable for my lack of wisdom. Only He is wise enough and just enough to do that.

But, on the other hand, those folks who walk away because of some disagreement are going to have to stand in the judgment with folks whose love for God was great enough that they endured to the end through hardships much more severe than some heavy-handed preacher.

PP, there's your answer.

I've been trying to say it, but the Coonman, just has a way with his words!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Carp,

I know you have issues with DP.

I don't know him, and have never heard him preach even once. All I know is hearsay. He might not be exactly my cup of tea if all I hear is true...but then, I probably could handle someone like him better than some mealy-mouthed, timid soul who can't ever make a strong stand on anything.

If I drive souls away because I preach non-essentials in such a vitriolic way that people are wrecked and damaged, God will hold me accountable for my lack of wisdom. Only He is wise enough and just enough to do that.

But, on the other hand, those folks who walk away because of some disagreement are going to have to stand in the judgment with folks whose love for God was great enough that they endured to the end through hardships much more severe than some heavy-handed preacher.

It often seems that some folks are looking for a reason to be offended an walk away. It is as if the preacher's innocent ignorance is a valid reason to live a life self gratification.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

It often seems that some folks are looking for a reason to be offended an walk away. It is as if the preacher's innocent ignorance is a valid reason to live a life self gratification.

That's what I said earlier.

It isn't a valid reason and therefore you will not be punished.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Virtually every standard you can name is based on an application of some Biblical principle, Renda.

You may disagree with the application, but it cannot be said to be just opinion, with no Scriptural basis whatsoever.

I'm talking about the ring/no ring type things.