Hell and suicide?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Esther

So you don't believe there is a hell?

I don't believe it in the traditional sense of endless conscious torment. After it has served its purpose of purging, correcting, and the setting of things right it will cease.

Thanks for asking.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Ron

Are we more just or holy, or righteous?

I have a message called, "A Balanced God!"
Gods righteousness, holiness, & holiness balances out his mercy, grace, & love!
He by his very nature can not tolerate sin & must judge it.
He by his great grace & mercy has made a way of escape!

Of course his purpose is to bring an end to sin, and His love required that He provide an antidote for the curse, which He did in Christ.

This line of thought brings to mind where Jesus said, "...if you fathers being evil (in comparison to Himself) know how to give good gifts to your children, how MUCH MORE will your Heavenly Father give..." If we love are moved with compassion for the unfortunate, how much more is He moved? And He has the power to do and to continue to do something about it. No where in Scripture does it say that physical death is the end of God's reaching for His creation.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I agree with crakjak, all will be saved in due course.

AMEN!

[Shawn]

fwiw. I think they're will be so much in the next life that is beyond us at this time. So much beyond our understanding at the moment. but I'm believing All means All. And World means world. not .05%

There are certain things I still believe in as many on this board do and wouldn't begin to tell anyone any different. I think everyone should be baptized in Jesus name. And I definately believe in Oneness even though it's a bit much to wrap my mind around at times. But I'm not going to pretend to have everything 'figured out'. I'll leave it up to Jesus. Alone.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I agree with crakjak, all will be saved in due course.

and you are wrong just like him.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Sorry Crak, but you can waste your theological points somewhere else. I debated with much in the past and you won't change my mind and it has nothing to do with losing lenses! I can tell you one thing it isn't because I did not objectively and openly think about it as possible. In the end it just simply lacks support. do I wish it was true. Sure I don't want anyone to go to hell or whatever. In the end I cannot justify it on the Word. Anything less than that to me is emotional pleading and I won't teach such to those I should come in contact with.

If the Holy Spirit does not cause it to resonate in your spirit, I understand your position, been there. Blessings to you.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I don't believe it in the traditional sense of endless conscious torment. After it has served its purpose of purging, correcting, and the setting of things right it will cease.

Thanks for asking.

CJ,
(standard disclaimer....I have not read all the posts in this thread)

Have you considered and determined that annilation is not part of the potential outcomes extending from every individual's free-will choices made throughout this life?

I find no available means to reconcile your position (quoted above) with:
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
and
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

In my understanding, I do not see renewal or restoration emerging from that which has been destroyed.

thoughts?

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by tbpew

CJ,
(standard disclaimer....I have not read all the posts in this thread)

Have you considered and determined that annihilation is not part of the potential outcomes extending from every individual's free-will choices made throughout this life?

I find no available means to reconcile your position (quoted above) with:
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
and
There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

In my understanding, I do not see renewal or restoration emerging from that which has been destroyed.

thoughts?

TB,
This is a very good question, the short answer is: Even though God is more than able to destroy the souls of men, it is not His purpose to do so.

He is able to destroy the cosmos, but it would be contrary to His purpose. He is also able to restore, redeem and to bring all His creation into right relationship with Himself.

He is also able to do this without violating the will of the individual, because with full disclosure, what man woman or child will not bow and confess Jesus Christ as Lord.

To know Him is to love Him, and I believe every human being will have eventual full disclosure, which produces only one result, bowing and confessing.

Many believe God will then destroy these, I simply disagree, and believe He will cause the eternal destruction of their "old man".

My question is: which is more in line with His character, His love, His power and ability to do?

The main problem I have with annihilation is that it causes God's purpose to fail, He is NOT willing that any should perish, therefore if one soul ultimately is forever lost then the WILL of God is not accomplished.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by crakjak

I don't believe it in the traditional sense of endless conscious torment. After it has served its purpose of purging, correcting, and the setting of things right it will cease.

Thanks for asking.

Thanks for responding, I guess my next question would be what does everlasting mean to you?

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by Esther

Thanks for responding, I guess my next question would be what does everlasting mean to you?

another definition of everlasting is "age-long". people in hell will suffer an age-long punishment. when the age-long punishment is over, people in hell will be redeemed. imo