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Jason B · #**141** 06-06-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Forget the lib and con thing. I wonder how many on here go to an Apostolic church?

(I go to an independant church, but am not hostile to the UPC or any other org)Holiness Church of Jesus Christ

Hoovie · #**142** 06-06-2009, 09:46 PM

I go to a UPC and i am not hostile to any of the other churches in town - good friends with the Lutheran Pastor, Christian Church minister and several baptist pastors.

OnTheFritz · #**143** 06-06-2009, 09:52 PM

It's amazing to see people coming out of the woodwork for this thread... If you would actually post sometimes, there would be some interesting discussions.

It seems to be that some believe that certain debates should be off the table - while others believe that everything is worth debating. I think many people (myself included) will play devil's advocate (skip the easy joke here please) in order to better understand why we believe the things we do. The points I argue are not always indicative of where I stand. Some are, and some are hypothetical.

I attend a UPC church. We believe in repentence, baptism in Jesus name (22 last Sunday), and receiving the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking with other tongues. I realize that alone isn't enough my many's standards, but I am apostolic. And in my opinion, everything worth believing is worth questioning.

There are great people on this forum. I don't agree with all of them, but I enjoy the conversation. If you are so easily derailed by the conversations then why not go find a "pat me on the back" style forum where everyone can tell each other how great they are. I guess I don't get. If you don't like it - why stick around?

freeatlast · #**144** 06-06-2009, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

I go to a UPC and i am not hostile to any of the other churches in town - good friends with the Lutheran Pastor, Christian Church minister and several baptist pastors.

We just had a luthren minister (military chaplain) as a guest speaker a couple weeks ago.

We are having an AoG pastor as a guest speaker in August and hopefully a Baptist pastor from the church next door yet this year.

Tomorrow we have a guest who will speaking for @ 10 minutes from the Gideons.

We are a non affiliated church with a pastor that holds license with the UPC.

Hope that makes me Apostolic enough for ya all.

Hoovie · #**145** 06-06-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz

It's amazing to see people coming out of the woodwork for this thread... If you would actually post sometimes, there would be some interesting discussions.

It seems to be that some believe that certain debates should be off the table - while others believe that everything is worth debating. I think many people (myself included) will play devil's advocate (skip the easy joke here please) in order to better understand why we believe the things we do. The points I argue are not always indicative of where I stand. Some are, and some are hypothetical.

I attend a UPC church. We believe in repentence, baptism in Jesus name (22 last Sunday), and receiving the Holy Ghost with evidence of speaking with other tongues. I realize that alone isn't enough my many's standards, but I am apostolic. And in my opinion, everything worth believing is worth questioning.

There are great people on this forum. I don't agree with all of them, but I enjoy the conversation. If you are so easily derailed by the conversations then why not go find a "pat me on the back" style forum where everyone can tell each other how great they are. I guess I don't get. If you don't like it - why stick around?

Great post Fritz.

I would just say - it's fine to stick around and disagree with the bulk of the threads if need be.

There are a great many "rooms" here even a prayer room. So everyone find something you enjoy and let the rest of the world go by...

Jason B · #**146** 06-06-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tim Rutledge

When he vast majority of the forum members have no problem with women wearing pants and cutting their hair... its obviously not an Apostolic forum. You can tell the "character" of a forum by the administrators and owners (bill payers) of a forum. What do they believe? There is a whole, whole lot more to being Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal then Acts 2:38.

my 2 cents.

Bro. Rutledge, I believe in holiness, and the central apostolic doctrine. The problem isn't women cutting hair (I think a woman should have long hair-even if they keep it trimmed), or wearing pants (though I believe dresses to be the most redically femine garment in our society, thus it is best for women to wear them). However these issues don't necessarily define an apostolic or holiness.

I was an ultra, ultra con. I am much more moderate now. Jesus is more interested in saving people, than saving them (Acts 2:38), only to condemn them to hell for trimming their split ends, or wearing a pair of pants.

Here is the problem with ultra cons, when your views (not necessarily yours Bro. Rutledge, but those ultra con views in general)-are challenged, they cannot be backed up with sound scriptural arguments in some cases.

Any view should have solid biblical basis, or should be abandoned in favor of one that does.

PS-I do still believe and preach One God, Acts 2:38, holiness, and biblical Christianity.

Maple Leaf · #**147** 06-06-2009, 10:14 PM

The common denominator here is baptism in Jesus Name and the baptism of the Holy Ghost, but, to some, that is far from enough to qualify as either Apostolic or saved.

A question for Pastor Epley: What portion of the "Jesus Name" movement qualifies as "Apostolic?"

And a couple more: Would Jim Yohe be able to maintain a membership on any Jesus Name forum other than AFF? Would any other forum publish Sister Newman's articles? FCF did.

Steve Epley · #**148** 06-06-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Maple Leaf

The common denominator here is baptism in Jesus Name and the baptism of the Holy Ghost, but, to some, that is far from enough to qualify as either Apostolic or saved.

A question for Pastor Epley: What portion of the "Jesus Name" movement qualifies as "Apostolic?"

And a couple more: Would Jim Yohe be able to maintain a membership on any Jesus Name forum other than AFF? Would any other forum publish Sister Newman's articles? FCF did.

My friend I was primarily speaking of baptism in Jesus Name and the HGB with tongues as being Apostolic. Of course you know my feelings as most do about other subjects. Jim Yohe did believe Acts 2:38 it was the foundation for his forum he gave great latitude on the interpetation of that verse it was there we fussed about the PCI & PAJC veiws of the verse. All other subjects were game. But do you follow many threads here?

Sweet Pea · #**149** 06-07-2009, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Forget the lib and con thing. I wonder how many on here go to an Apostolic church?

I do!

If your definition of "Apostolic church" is:

Repentance
Baptism (by immersion) in the name of Jesus
Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues

That would be my church!

If your definition is what some people call "standards" (I prefer "preference and/or "convictions") - well I hold them - my pastor holds them and teaches them (but not every service) - but we have many people who are welcome to worship with us who don't....

Steve Epley · #**150** 06-07-2009, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

I do!

If your definition of "Apostolic church" is:

Repentance
Baptism (by immersion) in the name of Jesus
Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues

That would be my church!

If your definition is what some people call "standards" (I prefer "preference and/or "convictions") - well I hold them - my pastor holds them and teaches them (but not every service) - but we have many people who are welcome to worship with us who don't....

I was using the term Apostolic is the sense of preaching and practicing Acts 2:38 nothing else on this question.