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[Newman]

Originally Posted by timlan2057

I think we WILL turn this into a "lib vs. con" thing.

Epley would like to do otherwise but he has no choice.

Elder Epley likes to start threads like this. That's certainly his privilege. I couldn't help but respond to this one because SOMEONE has to point out the utter stupidity and futility of a radical, far right pentecostal like Epley starting a thread like this and attempting to be inclusive as to whom is "apostolic."

I flat out love and respect Elder Epley BECAUSE he talks the talk and walks the walk. The same for Bishop1. I may not agree with where they draw their lines for standards but they certainly live their lives for Christ through the thick and thin of their commitment to Him.

I know that I can learn much from this "radical, far right Pentecostal." An old truth states, "Preach the Gospel. Use words if necesary." His life preaches and I respect that greatly.

I believe there is a core area (unrelated to Acts 2:38 or standards) of being Apostolic; that in fact Bro. Epley alluded to but was unable to articulate in suggesting that the board (made up of hundreds of posters), GENERALLY, wasn't Apostolic anymore. What might that be and does it matter?

[OnTheFritz]

My new favorite thread!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Newman

I flat out love and respect Elder Epley BECAUSE he talks the talk and walks the walk. The same for Bishop1. I may not agree with where they draw their lines for standards but they certainly live their lives for Christ through the thick and thin of their commitment to Him.

I know that I can learn much from this "radical, far right Pentecostal." An old truth states, "Preach the Gospel. Use words if necesary." His life preaches and I respect that greatly.

Thank you!

[Tina]

Any point I would have attempted to make about the quotes I saved earlier would just be lost now I guess.

Bro Epley, Yes, I am conservative apostolic. Yes, I am an owner on this forum. Just let it be known that just because I am currently the person who manages the ad money and I am responsible for paying the bills on this forum doesn't mean that I approve of the content of the conversations held on this forum. Just for the record, I rarely even have time to read MOST of them.

I am busy spending my time working at church youth camps, and volunteering my time working at the thrift store that is church owned in hopes of helping the funds be raised that are needed to pay for our new church building that is currently under construction.

An ownership title here doesn't mean that I agree with everything that goes on here. I doubt I even know about most of it. I just make sure that hosting & domain costs are paid so that those from the past forums of FCF and NFCF have a place to meet and keep the friendships alive. Whether anyone thinks that the word apostolic defines this forum any more is irrelevant to me. It was always more about the "FRIENDS" to begin with.

I'm out-- Bedtime. Nite all.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

(I think she meant Edward Anglin?)

[EA]

So, you guys value "open-mindedness", tolerance and free discussion over Biblical mandates?

Okey-dokey then.

It's great to see such a politically correct group.

[timlan2057]

Originally Posted by Newman

I flat out love and respect Elder Epley BECAUSE he talks the talk and walks the walk. The same for Bishop1. I may not agree with where they draw their lines for standards but they certainly live their lives for Christ through the thick and thin of their commitment to Him.

I know that I can learn much from this "radical, far right Pentecostal." An old truth states, "Preach the Gospel. Use words if necesary." His life preaches and I respect that greatly.

I believe there is a core area (unrelated to Acts 2:38 or standards) of being Apostolic; that in fact Bro. Epley alluded to but was unable to articulate in suggesting that the board (made up of hundreds of posters), GENERALLY, wasn't Apostolic anymore. What might that be and does it matter?

Let's see Newman ... I'm not sure what this post has to do with the whole subject of the thread or with my post.

No one that I know of is saying that Epley is not a nice fellow, kind to dogs and all that.

If you and your little amen corner want to go start a thread on how nice a fellow Epley is then I promise you I will post on it in agreement.

Bro. Epley alluded to but was unable to articulate in suggesting that the board (made up of hundreds of posters), GENERALLY, wasn't Apostolic anymore. What might that be and does it matter?

I think this was the whole point of my post.

Did you read it?

Sigh. In a nutshell, it is ABSURD for someone with Epley's perspective to try and be magnanimous and INCLUSIVE in defining "apostolic" since 99 percent of what he believes is "apostolic" as far as purposes of this forum is going to burn in hell for eternity just like the serial rapist or mass murderer - ACCORDING TO HIM.

(Of course if he now preaches degrees of punishment a' la Dante, and he believes Charles Manson will be in a deeper bodega of hell than C. H. Yadon - well, he can tell us that himself.)

Now that's the point I isolated and the one he needs to address.

So what in the world is the point of him defining "apostolic" as anyone who doesn't accept his entire laundry list of things he adds to salvation? The ultimate point is they're lost as goose but hey, they're "apostolic" according to him.

How ridiculous for you people to be agonizing over the definition of "apostolic" from Epley's point of view.

Now Newman, if you want to show how altruistic you are and want us to sit around a campfire and sing Kumbayah songs about how nice a fellow Epley is, then start a thread on it. I'll post on it.

In the meantime, you've missed the point and clouded the issue.

And I assure you, Epley is tough enough that he doesn't need you coming into this thread and attempting some sort of petty altruism to defend him that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread.

Steve Epley is a very nice guy whose exclusionary and radical position has gotten him into a heckuva mess and I pointed it out.

I'll look forward to him attempting to deal with it.

[Hoovie]

This thread has taken several turns now... but I think we should remember itwas started in the midst of a flurry of activity by a few posters questioning the need and place of baptism at all (never mind what might occur at one) among other hot button topics like sprinkling...

Such views are not "Apostolic" - I would agree, be they one step, three step or line dancers...

I personally think there are only a few such posters here, and even those might have been playing devils advocate and stirring the pot. But posts of that nature quickly lead to thoughts universal reconciliation and a "friends forum" with no absolute truths in common.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Don't confuse the term "Apostolic" with "Pentecostal". Most here are not banjo beating Pentecostal Fundamentalists who are stuck in the 50's and see "standards" set by human organizations as edicts of God. But most here are "Apostolic" in that they believe in a relationship with Jesus, the Oneness of God, the application of Acts 2:38 (as being the application taught by the Apostles), clean Christian living, and the return of Jesus.

Just because many of us don't buy into "Pentecostal tradition" please don't assume we are not Apostolic. In fact, 20th and 21st Century "Pentecostalism" is far from being "Apostolic". The Apostles wouldn't recognize half of our traditions. Starting with the Catholic manner in which we observe the Lord's Supper with wafer and a thimble of grape juice.

What you are seeing is a growing number of people becoming weary of Pentecostalism and seeking a true "Apostolic" experience.

BINGO!!!!

Originally Posted by Tina

Any point I would have attempted to make about the quotes I saved earlier would just be lost now I guess.

Bro Epley, Yes, I am conservative apostolic. Yes, I am an owner on this forum. Just let it be known that just because I am currently the person who manages the ad money and I am responsible for paying the bills on this forum doesn't mean that I approve of the content of the conversations held on this forum. Just for the record, I rarely even have time to read MOST of them.

I am busy spending my time working at church youth camps, and volunteering my time working at the thrift store that is church owned in hopes of helping the funds be raised that are needed to pay for our new church building that is currently under construction.

An ownership title here doesn't mean that I agree with everything that goes on here. I doubt I even know about most of it. I just make sure that hosting & domain costs are paid so that those from the past forums of FCF and NFCF have a place to meet and keep the friendships alive. Whether anyone thinks that the word apostolic defines this forum any more is irrelevant to me. It was always more about the "FRIENDS" to begin with.

I'm out-- Bedtime. Nite all.

I can echo 99% of this post! (except the conservative part, )

[rgcraig]

I respect Bro. Epley.

He thinks I'm lost as two boys kissing, but I know better.

Apostolic is just a word anyway. Actions speak louder than words, right?