Coming home from church yesterday my daughter (who will be a senior next year) was telling me about something that happened at school. She said that there are some people at school who don't call themselves athiests but they definitely don't believe in God.
One of them approached her one day and asked her what she would do if she reached the end of her life and found out that there was not God... no heaven... no hell.
Of course we have discussed this before and she was well ready to answer the question. She told them that if she reached the end and found there was no God... no heaven... no hell... then this life I have lived was still the best life. Alcohol won't destroy my family. My life won't be ended too soon by drugs, cigarettes etc. I will have saved myself many heartaches and pains. I still win.
She then retorted. What will you do if you reach the end and find out that there is a God... a heaven... a hell?
There was momentary silence... and (pardon my speech as I recall their exact answer)... That would suck.
LOL... Good girl. I thought she did well.
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Coming home from church yesterday my daughter (who will be a senior next year) was telling me about something that happened at school. She said that there are some people at school who don't call themselves athiests but they definitely don't believe in God.
One of them approached her one day and asked her what she would do if she reached the end of her life and found out that there was not God... no heaven... no hell.
Of course we have discussed this before and she was well ready to answer the question. She told them that if she reached the end and found there was no God... no heaven... no hell... then this life I have lived was still the best life. Alcohol won't destroy my family. My life won't be ended too soon by drugs, cigarettes etc. I will have saved myself many heartaches and pains. I still win.
She then retorted. What will you do if you reach the end and find out that there is a God... a heaven... a hell?
There was momentary silence... and (pardon my speech as I recall their exact answer)... That would suck.
LOL... Good girl. I thought she did well.
My daughter will also be a senior next year and has faced similar conversations. Isn't it great having kids who stand the line?
Mostly though she gets the line "How come you never wear pants?"
I hope their testimonies consist of more than, not wearing pants and other outward appearances.
Just a curious question: "Would anyone have noticed if those things were not evident"?
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I hope their testimonies consist of more than, not wearing pants and other outward appearances.
Just a curious question: "Would anyone have noticed if those things were not evident"?
Of course it does. Just because someone still keeps standards does'nt naturally make them a pharisee. I know I am the oddball on here who still does that after 22 years, but I ain't changing.
The way my daughter was raised, she doesn't view the whole dress, uncut hair, no make up, and etc as some rules she has to keep in order to stay saved, but part of her dedication to God, part of her life. I don't "make" her do that and neither does her pastor.
I fail to understand the attitude of people here towards people who keep standards, we are all not prudish old hypocrites trying to enforce our views on anyone. It seems on here like the minute someone posts that they are conservative in attire, that folks automatically assume that they are clothes and no substance since we haven't been "liberated".
I don't judge the folks on here who dropped standards, and I hope they don't judge me and mine because we choose to keep them.
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Last edited by John Atkinson; 06-15-2009 at 09:45 AM.
Of course it does. Just because someone still keeps standards does'nt naturally make them a pharisee. I know I am the oddball on here who still does that after 22 years, but I ain't changing.
The way my daughter was raised, she doesn't view the whole dress, uncut hair, no make up, and etc as some rules she has to keep in order to stay saved, but part of her dedication to God, part of her life. I don't "make" her do that and neither does her pastor.
I fail to understand the attitude of people here towards people who keep standards, we are all not prudish old hypocrites trying to enforce our views on anyone. It seems on here like the minute someone posts that they are conservative in attire, that folks automatically assume that they are clothes and no substance since we haven't been "liberated".
I don't judge the folks on here who dropped standards, and I hope they don't judge me and mine because we choose to keep them.
John,
You read a great deal in to my inquiry that simply is not there, it was not an accusation, it was a question.
I totally agree, I have a large family of which many still hold to the "standards", I don't feel that they are any of the things that you suggested, I love them and respect them.
However, if they had the same love and attitude toward people that they now have, without the outward appearances many more folks would feel much more at ease in joining them. Many of the put offs that folks have in coming to God is created my the church itself. In that regard you might compare it to the Pharisees, because they created obstacles to folks coming to God.
If we can change and adapt the current trends in cars, housing, technology, etc, why can't we change to more current trends of dress and style. I am not suggesting immodesty so don't go there.
BTW: I commend both daugthers on making their parents proud, having children to grow up and honor God is a great thing. My daughter recieved the principle's award at her graduation, her character and Christlikeness shined thru, even when she was wearing pants. I know it sounds like a gloat, but it is not. lol
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
Of course it does. Just because someone still keeps standards does'nt naturally make them a pharisee. I know I am the oddball on here who still does that after 22 years, but I ain't changing.
The way my daughter was raised, she doesn't view the whole dress, uncut hair, no make up, and etc as some rules she has to keep in order to stay saved, but part of her dedication to God, part of her life. I don't "make" her do that and neither does her pastor.
I fail to understand the attitude of people here towards people who keep standards, we are all not prudish old hypocrites trying to enforce our views on anyone. It seems on here like the minute someone posts that they are conservative in attire, that folks automatically assume that they are clothes and no substance since we haven't been "liberated".
I don't judge the folks on here who dropped standards, and I hope they don't judge me and mine because we choose to keep them.
You read a great deal in to my inquiry that simply is not there, it was not an accusation, it was a question.
I totally agree, I have a large family of which many still hold to the "standards", I don't feel that they are any of the things that you suggested, I love them and respect them.
However, if they had the same love and attitude toward people that they now have, without the outward appearances many more folks would feel much more at ease in joining them. Many of the put offs that folks have in coming to God is created my the church itself. In that regard you might compare it to the Pharisees, because they created obstacles to folks coming to God.
If we can change and adapt the current trends in cars, housing, technology, etc, why can't we change to more current trends of dress and style. I am not suggesting immodesty so don't go there.
BTW: I commend both daugthers on making their parents proud, having children to grow up and honor God is a great thing. My daughter recieved the principle's award at her graduation, her character and Christlikeness shined thru, even when she was wearing pants. I know it sounds like a gloat, but it is not. lol
Whoops. My bad. Sincere apologies for misunderstanding....I have seen the attitude I posted about on here though.
As a church, my church doesn't have the big list of dos and dont's. We preach principles and allow people to develop convictions as they grow in Christ, so at any given time you might see in our services a woman in pants or a guy in shorts and a tshirt. And they can feel comfortable there and loved. No dirty looks from the "holy" crowd. So even though I am conservative in my standards I don't bind that on anyone.
The inner standard of holiness and the manifestation of the fruit of the spirit is to me the most important thing. The outward is impacted and modesty is one of the results. But it is the fruit that makes people want what we have.
It is good that our children mentioned on this thread have that, and the ability to give good answers when asked about the way.
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