The Removal of Romans 14:22 - Page 3

Pressing-On · #21 07-11-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HopePreacher

It is true that these two words are often translated offend, or offense. However, according to Vines skandalizo is derived from skandalon and means "to put a snare or stumblingblock in the way".

our challenge is to carefully guard our life and actions so that we do not become the cause of another stumbling or falling away.

I agree!

Sam · #22 07-11-2009, 02:06 PM

I have always gone to churches (UPC and ALJC) and then later to a couple of other churches where the wearing of jewelry was not an issue. As a young minister I fellowshipped with and preached for ministers who were against the wearing of jewelry. I did not take off my wedding ring when I got on their platforms. Later, I decided to stop wearing my wedding ring just so it wouldn't be a possible offense. I went for several months not wearing my wedding ring. I don't know if any of those ministers even noticed that I was not wearing it so I later put it back on. The only person who was offended at this was my wife and she was offended that I was not wearing my wedding ring.

mfblume · #23 07-11-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Do you think that a person could become weak in faith at intervals in their Christian walk due to very trying circumstances that surround a person?

Definitely.

mfblume · #24 07-11-2009, 02:11 PM

Sam,

Thinking of your necktie example, I think in some cases lack of necktie would not offend anyone. But since it is PREACHED in contrary manners in two different places, people might get offended in the CONTRADICTION and not the tie or lack thereof, itself. They stumble at why two preachers contradict one another if they're both preachers. So THAT offense is what is actually avoided.

Scott Hutchinson · #25 07-11-2009, 02:14 PM

There are things that right and wrong for everybody,there are issues of personal convictions and personal preferences,why make salvation out of things that the bible does not.

For example fornication and adultery are wrong for everybody,but what if somebody was a sports fanatic before they got saved,and then after they got saved,they felt convicted to throw a ball even in their yard can such a one say to other Christians if you throw a ball in your yard you are sinning ?

Why major in minors ?

We should respect others convictions on non-salvational matters,yet there are differences of convictions on non-salvational things,and we must know our bibles well enough to know what God requires and what He doesn't.

mfblume · #26 07-11-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

There are things that right and wrong for everybody,there are issues of personal convictions and personal preferences,why make salvation out of things that the bible does not.

For example fornication and adultery are wrong for everybody,but what if somebody was a sports fanatic before they got saved,and then after they got saved,they felt convicted to throw a ball even in their yard can such a one say to other Christians if you throw a ball in your yard you are sinning ?

Why major in minors ?

We should respect others convictions on non-salvational matters,yet there are differences of convictions on non-salvational things,and we must know our bibles well enough to know what God requires and what He doesn't.

Great words!

mfblume · #27 07-11-2009, 02:16 PM

In short, if Paul gave liberty for people to do what is not sinful away from those who think it is offensive, then churches should not make people sign papers that require them to keep some ordinances at all times, whether they are around those offended or not.

Pressing-On · #28 07-11-2009, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Definitely.

How do you reconcile Romans 14:22 with I Cor 10:13 "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

We are saying a person is weak or offended and therefore can fall away from salvation. How does that work with I Cor 10:13?

mfblume · #29 07-11-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

How do you reconcile Romans 14:22 with I Cor 10:13 "There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."

We are saying a person is weak or offended and therefore can fall away from salvation. How does that work with I Cor 10:13?

Such a weak person is not full of faith enough to believe God for such a promise. And that is associated with the same reason their faith is weak in being easily offended.

Scott Hutchinson · #30 07-11-2009, 02:21 PM

If one is around believers who are always looking at you with a fine tooth comb always looking for fault examining your every move,you'll get frustrated to where you can't function,and one can get so in despair to where one can feel like thinking what the use living for God when every move I make seems wrong.