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04-17-2007, 04:30 PM
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If you could just get past the heaven and hell part...  |
 Well I got past~ Many are still caught.... 
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04-17-2007, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
, standards are NOT taught as heaven or hell issues.
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One can go visited the goodnewscafe and Godplace and few other Apostolic and UPCer sites even do a google sreach on the subject of dress issues, as heaven or hell to witness these teachings in action first hand. Infact you can find it even here.
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Holiness is more than just clothing, though it is a part of it.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...p?t=873&page=3
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04-17-2007, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by CupCake
[I]One can go visited the goodnewscafe and Godplace and few other Apostolic and UPCer sites even do a google sreach on the subject of dress issues, as heaven or hell to witness these teachings in action first hand. Infact you can find it even here.
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Carefully read my post, Cupcake. Did I say it did NOT happen at all?
THIS is what I actually said:
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I hope that you're aware that in many UPCI churches (none that I've ever been in actually), standards are NOT taught as heaven or hell issues.
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However, please feel free to point me to the post by a UPCI minister on this forum who has stated that UPCI standards as they are presented in the Manual are heaven or hell issues. Go ahead. You made the statement, so its your obligation to provide the proof.
I'm not sure what this link has to do with the conversation at hand. 
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To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
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04-17-2007, 05:44 PM
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When did GNC have more than ONE dress standard thread?
They have gone moderate? 
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04-17-2007, 05:47 PM
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I've been to over 100 or more UPCI churches here in the states and Canada, during my husbands preaching days, all but one taught that it was not a heaven or hell. California and Oregon were the worse. Sure most won't come right out admit it, but if you stick around long enough you'll see this teaching is embraced as such. Kinda like don't tell a newbie don't want run em off.
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Well, I was born into Pentecost, so I think I've been around long enough to have some valid input.
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In fact we use to teach it as such, we lived it. Can I say anything good about UPCI, sure! But I chose not to dwell in their traditions or man made by- laws. Last I'm not sure why UPCer get upset over the fact that many do teach it as such, so why hide that fact!
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Cupcake, I'm not "hiding" anything--I have NOT experienced what you are talking about. The churches that I know of who teach that most standards are heaven or hell issues are independent churches, not UPCI. I know for a FACT that the church our family attends does NOT teach standards as heaven or hell issues, nor does it "secretly" embrace such a teaching.
My father taught some standards as heaven or hell issues, BUT his church was never UPCI affiliated, (although he did hold a license), and he started out as AMF/Independent, and leaned that way even after he was UPC.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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04-17-2007, 05:50 PM
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Well, the buzzword for heaven and hell is "Making it" or you "will be lost".
If you do this, you will be lost, if you don't do that you won't make it....
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Really, Carp. Do you think I can't make the connection or read between the lines when a preacher says "make it" or "be lost"? *very irritated look in your general direction*
I've heard standards taught as heaven or hell issues, more specifically "splittin' hell wide open" issues for YEARS--in AMF and Independent churches and conferences. I have not had that same experience in UPCI churches and conferences. And I've been to my fair share.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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04-17-2007, 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CupCake
[I]One can go visited the goodnewscafe and Godplace and few other Apostolic and UPCer sites even do a google sreach on the subject of dress issues, as heaven or hell to witness these teachings in action first hand. Infact you can find it even here.
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Were you under the erroneous impression that most GNC members are UPCI?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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04-17-2007, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by COOPER
Your right I ask questions and get insults.
But thats what makes it all fun.
It also bares a great witness of the issues and attitudes in the UPCI.
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And what about the UPCI-attendees who DON'T post insults? Do I not represent the UPCI in a positive manner? Or do the good guyz (and girlz) not count?
When have I ever posted anything intended to hurt your feelings or be mean?
Your rule is really the exception, and I think you know it.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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04-17-2007, 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
Well, I was born into Pentecost, so I think I've been around long enough to have some valid input.
Cupcake, I'm not "hiding" anything--I have NOT experienced what you are talking about. The churches that I know of who teach that most standards are heaven or hell issues are independent churches, not UPCI. I know for a FACT that the church our family attends does NOT teach standards as heaven or hell issues, nor does it "secretly" embrace such a teaching.
My father taught some standards as heaven or hell issues, BUT his church was never UPCI affiliated, (although he did hold a license), and he started out as AMF/Independent, and leaned that way even after he was UPC. |
Abigail,
I've been in UPC for 22 years and my husband 30. He just walked in and I asked him for verification - "Yes, it has been preached as a heaven or hell issue". 
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04-17-2007, 06:02 PM
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Abigail,
I've been in UPC for 22 years and my husband 30. He just walked in and I asked him for verification - "Yes, it has been preached as a heaven or hell issue". |
What part of "many", and "in my experience" do ya'll not understand? LOL!!!
I'm not nearly as old as most of ya'll, so I'll concede that my experience isn't as vast.
I did not make the statement as Cupcake quoted it. I did NOT say "it is NOT preached as heaven or hell." If you want to respond to my post, then go back to my actual post and read it. 
In the UPCI church our family attends, standards are NOT ever taught or preached as heaven or hell issues. Not when a member first joins, and not 10 years later when they want to be the Youth Leader.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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