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View Poll Results: Do you believe and/or teach that standards are heaven or hell issues?
Absolutely. I believe and teach that standards are heaven or hell issues. 11 19.30%
I believe that standards should be followed, but they do not necessarily affect salvation. 10 17.54%
I do not believe standards are salvational, but I teach them in compliance with the organization. 3 5.26%
I do not believe or teach that standards are salvational. 21 36.84%
I teach that standards are matters of consecration, but are not salvational. 11 19.30%
I don't know. 1 1.75%
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Old 04-18-2007, 11:48 AM
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Brother Blume,
This is exactly what a lot of the women are telling me. The attitudes of some make you wonder. I heard Nona Freeman and Brother Barnes preach to us that if we don't come together in love we will never reach the lost.

So, where are we at in that? And with His name, blood and spirit, why are we missing it?
When we concentrate on the outward more than the inward, then you are getting quite fleshly.

Paul taught about outward concentration:

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Col 2:20-3:4 KJV Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (21) (Touch not; taste not; handle not; (22) Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? (23) Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh. (3:1) If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. (2) Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. (3) For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. (4) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
Paul said we're dead to the world with Christ. And we should not be imbalanced with over-infatuation with OUTWARD things, like the sort of preaching that always says, "Touch not; taste not; handle not." That is materialism as much as indulgence in covetousness is. Paul said that was the Old Testament infatuation. Outward Works. He was dealing with Law in this chapter.

He said in chapter 3 that saints should be more concerned and caught up with SPIRITUAL HIGHER THINGS, like this: "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth," like buttons, sleeves and threads and cloth. How in the world can Christians become so infatuated with CLOTHING???? It is weird! Some speak and are concerned more about clothing THAN ANYTHING in the bible! Look at the topics about clothing and see.

And when we list what he said we should focus upon, you read:

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Col 3:12-23 KJV Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; (13) Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. (14) And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness. (15) And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful. (16) Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. (17) And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him. (18) Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord. (19) Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. (20) Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord. (21) Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged. (22) Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God: (23) And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;
But what gets the most bandwidth around forums? "Touch not, taste not, handle not". And when someone gets into Col. 3:12-23 material, hardly anyone wants to talk. What does that say where our hearts and priorities are? It's Flat-out materialism.

Form the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.... or the fingers type!
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