bro mooneys talk about gc vote - Page 2

tv1a · #11 10-31-2009, 01:46 PM

There's something rumbling in Indy. Wise move for him. Don't know if I buy the Spirit checked him during the vote. It's possible the spirit checked him before the conference, and was confirmed during the vote.

notofworks · #12 10-31-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

There's something rumbling in Indy. Wise move for him. Don't know if I buy the Spirit checked him during the vote. It's possible the spirit checked him before the conference, and was confirmed during the vote.

It's hard for me to any of this as anything besides politics, leverage, powerplays, control, and legalism.

Sam · #13 10-31-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a

There's something rumbling in Indy. Wise move for him. Don't know if I buy the Spirit checked him during the vote. It's possible the spirit checked him before the conference, and was confirmed during the vote.

Come on, guys.
Give the guy some credit.
If he says the Spirit checked him, accept it as that and let it go.
He is not perfect but he is a child of God and a servant of God.

I'm not UPC, and have no dog in this fight.
From what I've heard, Bro. Mooney was "campaigning" or "positioning" for that political office for some time by having "cons" come preach for him and by speaking out publicly against compromise etc. whenever given the forum to do so. Maybe he really wanted the job but then when it was about to fall into his lap, the Lord dealt with him about it and he was sincere enough with God to withdraw his name.

jfrog · #14 10-31-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Come on, guys.
Give the guy some credit.
If he says the Spirit checked him, accept it as that and let it go.
He is not perfect but he is a child of God and a servant of God.

I'm not UPC, and have no dog in this fight.
From what I've heard, Bro. Mooney was "campaigning" or "positioning" for that political office for some time by having "cons" come preach for him and by speaking out publicly against compromise etc. whenever given the forum to do so. Maybe he really wanted the job but then when it was about to fall into his lap, the Lord dealt with him about it and he was sincere enough with God to withdraw his name.

True Sam. Though I'm an outsider too and I wonder why it was only after the voting done began that he withdrew. I don't doubt his sincerity, but if God was checking you before the voting, wouldn't it make more sense if he had withdrew his name before the voting began.

So even in this case he may not have done anything "wrong" but it wasn't exactly right to wait until he did to remove his name. If this is the case then why didn't he just say I should have listened to God sooner, instead of saying well at the last minute God checked me.

I can buy his reason for withdrawing being that God checked him, but if this is true it would seem that he should have handled the situation differently and withdrew sooner. I suppose it's hard to admit mistakes though, so I think this would be the reason he didn't come right out and say he made a mistake and should have withdrew sooner.

That's my thoughts on the situation.

pelathais · #15 10-31-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

True Sam. Though I'm an outsider too and I wonder why it was only after the voting done began that he withdrew. I don't doubt his sincerity, but if God was checking you before the voting, wouldn't it make more sense if he had withdrew his name before the voting began.

So even in this case he may not have done anything "wrong" but it wasn't exactly right to wait until he did to remove his name. If this is the case then why didn't he just say I should have listened to God sooner, instead of saying well at the last minute God checked me.

I can buy his reason for withdrawing being that God checked him, but if this is true it would seem that he should have handled the situation differently and withdrew sooner. I suppose it's hard to admit mistakes though, so I think this would be the reason he didn't come right out and say he made a mistake and should have withdrew sooner.

That's my thoughts on the situation.

The process is such that he was never really in consideration until after the nominating ballot was made during the conference itself.

The first vote was an up or down on whether to retain the incumbent GS - no one really knew if there was even going to be a GS election until after that ballot was tabulated.

Next, came the nominating ballot - PM didn't know if his name was even going to be up for consideration until after that ballot was counted.

It was after that ballot - and before the vote on a new GS that Bros. PM and WH bowed out. That made it pretty much a straight up "race" between JJ and DKB. Though obviously, neither had any opportunity to "campaign" as such.

jeffadams · #16 10-31-2009, 06:20 PM

I now attend this church with this Pastor, he is awesome

jfrog · #17 10-31-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The process is such that he was never really in consideration until after the nominating ballot was made during the conference itself.

The first vote was an up or down on whether to retain the incumbent GS - no one really knew if there was even going to be a GS election until after that ballot was tabulated.

Next, came the nominating ballot - PM didn't know if his name was even going to be up for consideration until after that ballot was counted.

It was after that ballot - and before the vote on a new GS that Bros. PM and WH bowed out. That made it pretty much a straight up "race" between JJ and DKB. Though obviously, neither had any opportunity to "campaign" as such.

Ah, so he didn't withdraw until right after he was nominated. If that's the case scratch everything I said.

oletime · #18 10-31-2009, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The process is such that he was never really in consideration until after the nominating ballot was made during the conference itself.

The first vote was an up or down on whether to retain the incumbent GS - no one really knew if there was even going to be a GS election until after that ballot was tabulated.

Next, came the nominating ballot - PM didn't know if his name was even going to be up for consideration until after that ballot was counted.

It was after that ballot - and before the vote on a new GS that Bros. PM and WH bowed out. That made it pretty much a straight up "race" between JJ and DKB. Though obviously, neither had any opportunity to "campaign" as such.

well said pel there is a process,plus roberts rules pf order, you would be riduculed, not to mention being out of order, to withdraw your name before you were nominated, in addition to being called an egotist.if you listen to his message he says i knew i had 1700 hundred ministers mad at me instantly because of the scene it caused, it was obvious he was tortured by it. he really bared his soul i thought . its worth listening to.but he knew he had to do what he did .they are in a huge building program and his ultimate responsibility is there. anyone tha doubts the man needs to listen to it.

jfrog · #19 10-31-2009, 06:29 PM

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well said pel there is a process,plus roberts rules pf order, you would be riduculed, not to mention being out of order, to withdraw your name before you were nominated, in addition to being called an egotist.if you listen to his message he says i knew i had 1700 hundred ministers mad at me instantly because of the scene it caused, it was obvious he was tortured by it. he really bared his soul i thought . its worth listening to.but he knew he had to do what he did .they are in a huge building program and his ultimate responsibility is there. anyone tha doubts the man needs to listen to it.

Well, in my case, i was unfamiliar with the election procedures of the upc it seems. Maybe alot of others were/are to? Maybe if the procedures were clarified, alot of the speculation could be stopped.

notofworks · #20 10-31-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The process is such that he was never really in consideration until after the nominating ballot was made during the conference itself.

The first vote was an up or down on whether to retain the incumbent GS - no one really knew if there was even going to be a GS election until after that ballot was tabulated.

Next, came the nominating ballot - PM didn't know if his name was even going to be up for consideration until after that ballot was counted.

It was after that ballot - and before the vote on a new GS that Bros. PM and WH bowed out. That made it pretty much a straight up "race" between JJ and DKB. Though obviously, neither had any opportunity to "campaign" as such.

I only followed the proceedings on here, but from what I read, it was a little different from this. I'm going by what Kim Komando reported from the floor.

Maybe I have this wrong, but in the thread, "The end of Haneywood?", it sounds like there was an initial vote in which KH didn't retain the GS office. THEN a nominating ballot in which PM got 660 votes. It was then that he pulled out. It sounds like his name ran twice before he withdrew.

But then again, I may be totally out-to-lunch. Food actually sounds good right now.