Just Having Church!!!!!!!!!!

["GL"]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

I honestly don't get you people. You get on here and slam Bishop Jakes for preaching a masterpiece and then laying hands on people - People dancing and shouting like your church used too. Rod Parsley shouting and dancing all over the platform - the choir is rockin' and the Hammond is screaming and YOU DON'T LIKE IT!
Then when you are finished chewing on them - you start on POA and the Manguns! "The Dance floor". You are disrespectful to men of God and think you have a corner on what is right. You are DEAD HEAD WRONG!

I was born into a Classical Pentecostal Church and Family and have been to a lot of places and seen lots of faces - but I remain a Classical Pentecostal. To call me or others REPROBATE because we left your denomination shows how immature you are.

When you are sitting in that DEAD CHURCH - that should be labeled a FUNERAL HOME - think of the good time we are having with the HAMMOND B3.
Some of you are deader than the Baptist around here!

TAKE THAT SIGN DOWN THAT SAYS PENTECOSTAL - and most of you are NOT UNITED anyway - FALSE ADVERTISING!!!

Bro Pot, have you met Bro Kettle???

["GL"]

Originally Posted by woodstock

... the one label that fits you is rude.

HELLO!

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Good Lord - are you people Pentecostal? I like the beat - Actually - I LOVE this kind of Church - the Hammond Organ roaring, Piano keys running, drums beating about 100 MPH, bass beating, guitars strumming, tambourines shaking, people shoutin', running, jumping, dancing, praising and that is how I have always liked it. I AM PENTECOSTAL and I am NOT ASHAMED TO PRAISE GOD!

I HATE DEAD CHURCHES! Anything that is dead needs to be buried! I get sick of this judgmental attitude of dead heads that don't even know what praise is! IF you don't like it - don't watch it! Keep your mouth off of it - Your gonna need it one day!

This USED to be how Pentecostal Churches used to be. It used to be that way at almost EVERY UPC Church on Sunday night. Now it is so orchestrated and planned - you know exactly how - when - and where something is going to happen in a service. Some of it is worse than the A/G or COG and that is pretty bad!

It is still that way at Rod Parsleys, Tommy Bates, Clint Browns, TD Jakes and many other places. You wonder why his place is filled up with Ex-UPC? They got tired of going to the Professional DEAD Pentecostal Churches in Columbus and I have preached in them and THEY ARE DEAD as 4:00! DEAD - DEAD - DEAD!
You know what is filling some of these churches up - people are sick of going and hearing ONE GOD - like other people REALLY believe in more than ONE - water baptism - hair - pants and I LOVE THE UNITED PENTECOSTAL CHURCH so much! You should LOVE GOD! I got so sick of hearing that - over and over. I LOVE the UPC - like it was some great Saviour!
These guys Preach JESUS - the Savior - the Healer - The Deliverer - The Need Meeter - the Baptizer in the Holy Ghost.
Oh Lord - Now I have went and done it - stepped on the Sacred Cow!

If this woman can get on here and say what she said about Bishop Jakes - who pastors over 20,000 people - I can say she is dead and twice plucked up by the roots - DEAD and needs the HOLY GHOST!

Some of you DEAD HEADS need to blow your sign up - YOU should be arrested for FALSE ADVERTISING! Pentecostal - Give me a Break! You wouldn't know Pentecost if it slapped you across the face!

Hasn't it become painfully clear to most that Atlantabishop hovers over his keyboard hoping to find one thing - any thing - to attack the UPC about? The only one that mentioned UPC was Sherri and that in a positive way. Atlantabishop? He doesn't need a reason. Just an opportunity.

I for one think it gets really old. I know that the UPC isn't infallible. But the do a great job in a lot of things.

It should also be noted that most compromiser's churches are full of exUPC because flesh loves an easier way. If I thought I could be saved without one standard I might want that too.

Since there is a call for honesty from Atlantabishop I have a plan. Lets suggest that the UPC takes the sign down that says 'lively worship' when you take the sign down that says 'Apostolic Pentecostal'.

[woodstock]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Hasn't it become painfully clear to most that Atlantabishop hovers over his keyboard hoping to find one thing - any thing - to attack the UPC about? The only one that mentioned UPC was Sherri and that in a positive way. Atlantabishop? He doesn't need a reason. Just an opportunity.

I for one think it gets really old. I know that the UPC isn't infallible. But the do a great job in a lot of things.

It should also be noted that most compromiser's churches are full of exUPC because flesh loves an easier way. If I thought I could be saved without one standard I might want that too.

Since there is a call for honesty from Atlantabishop I have a plan. Lets suggest that the UPC takes the sign down that says 'lively worship' when you take the sign down that says 'Apostolic Pentecostal'.

Agreed. I don't go along with everything the UPC and other apostolics do, but I'm more troubled by the resentment and bile that seems to consume a lot of ex-ers.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Hasn't it become painfully clear to most that Atlantabishop hovers over his keyboard hoping to find one thing - any thing - to attack the UPC about? The only one that mentioned UPC was Sherri and that in a positive way. Atlantabishop? He doesn't need a reason. Just an opportunity.

I for one think it gets really old. I know that the UPC isn't infallible. But the do a great job in a lot of things.

It should also be noted that most compromiser's churches are full of exUPC because flesh loves an easier way. If I thought I could be saved without one standard I might want that too.

Since there is a call for honesty from Atlantabishop I have a plan. Lets suggest that the UPC takes the sign down that says 'lively worship' when you take the sign down that says 'Apostolic Pentecostal'.

Maybe I'm strange... but I personally see no problem with lively music in Church. I'm of the persuasion that we have some of the best music in all of Pentecost at my Church. We have it thumping and jumping most of the time but can, at a moment's notice, swing our worship back down to the precious old songs like "Amazing Grace" and "To Be Like Jesus".

One thing I do regularly is during a red hot shout down type serve I'll shut the music down and turn the musicians and praise singers loose. Ironically, the passion for worship only intensifies during that time. I do that for two reasons: To shut the mouths of any critics that may be there saying, "It's all about the music" and to give those that labor so hard on our instruments the opportunity to worship OFF the instruments for a while.

Having said that I would refer back to someone's earlier post that mentioned Saul calling for David. OBVIOUSLY there is a magnificent difference in the spirit of Saul vs. the spirit of David. Could this be the reason:

When Saul was troubled in his soul he called for a MUSICIAN (David) to 'soothe' him.
When David was troubled in his soul he called for a PREACHER (Nathan) to move him.

My Brothers and Sisters, there is a place for both but NOTHING take the place of a truth preaching Man of God in your own life.

TRUTH PREACHING might just be the key in this conversation.

[woodstock]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

My Brothers and Sisters, there is a place for both but NOTHING take the place of a truth preaching Man of God in your own life.

TRUTH PREACHING might just be the key in this conversation.

So true. Without it there's a shallowness - a frivolousness that you can feel in your spirit.

Originally Posted by Whole Hearted

Sounds like they lose way more than they keep.

Whole Hearted, statistically every Church loses more than they keep. And, yes, they are right that it's a matter of human will that God will not violate.

But, in retrostpect, I find it humorous to hear (as I have for years) the silly voices who cry against a move of God say things like "I'd rather one person pray through and stay than 100 pray though and half of them leave!"

Let me see... 1 with salvation and walking with God compared to 50 with salvation and walking with God.

Yep, that's still a crazy argument.

[woodstock]

Originally Posted by Steadfast

Yep, that's still a crazy argument.

Envy interferes with sound reasoning.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by The Dean

Hasn't it become painfully clear to most that Atlantabishop hovers over his keyboard hoping to find one thing - any thing - to attack the UPC about? The only one that mentioned UPC was Sherri and that in a positive way. Atlantabishop? He doesn't need a reason. Just an opportunity.

I for one think it gets really old. I know that the UPC isn't infallible. But the do a great job in a lot of things.

It should also be noted that most compromiser's churches are full of exUPC because flesh loves an easier way. If I thought I could be saved without one standard I might want that too.

Since there is a call for honesty from Atlantabishop I have a plan. Lets suggest that the UPC takes the sign down that says 'lively worship' when you take the sign down that says 'Apostolic Pentecostal'.

Oh Lord - I am SO GLAD we have The Dean to keep us all straight and tell us what we are to think!
I did NOT get on here to attack the UPC. I responded to someone that disrespected Bishop Jakes, Rod Parsley, POA and the Manguns and lively worship and praise. That is what I responded too.

The Dean hovers over his keyboard to preach against me and judge me and other "compromisers" who left the UPC and then he can't get along with half of them either!
Also - I preached this WHILE IN THE UPC! "If your sign says - Pentecostal and you have no Power and No Praise - You are False Advertising!" If you can't preach that - you have a problem!
The fact of the matter is - I know you and what you stand for and you would not stand for a DEAD - DRY - NO PRAISE CHURCH! This don't have anything to do with the UPC - it has everything to do with people that say they are Pentecostal and then get on here and call people reprobates because they are not in your denomination and then disrespect Powerful Praise & Worship.
If you guys have a problem with a Hammond Organ - go join the Lutherans or Episcopal Church.
I think it takes a King James Version Bible and a Hammond Organ to have CHURCH!
Also - I have never seen a UPC church that had "lively worship" up on their sign and I sure don't have "Apostolic Pentecostal" up on mine - it attracts too many NUTS!