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03-02-2010, 02:35 PM
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Re: Armor Bearer vs Flunky
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Originally Posted by seguidordejesus
Done right, it could be good. I don't see it being done right in the majority of cases, though. A pastor in my youth started this, but for some reason it never really got off the ground.
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If done right the pastor should pick a saint and do it for that saint. He is the servant after all.....
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-02-2010, 02:36 PM
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Re: Armor Bearer vs Flunky
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I am having a difficult time with this concept. Partly disgust for the "master" and even a bit more for the sheepish flock who would go along with it.
I can see ONE advantage though: The master could instruct his "shield bearer" to ambush him at random times in order for the master to hone his combat skills. I know of a shield bearer who spent all afternoon in a refrigerator laying in wait for the master to come home and open it. A most diabolical ploy!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8QrOAghZ0
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-02-2010, 02:46 PM
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Re: Armor Bearer vs Flunky
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
They want to do it because they wrongly think this is God's will. Same guile is used to trick millions to give their money to TV evangelists
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Prax, that is what makes it really sad. We will fall for almost anything because the pastor says it should be done. The pastor should be ready to assist the people instead of having the men at the door filter the traffic. Just plain arrogant.
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03-02-2010, 02:53 PM
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Re: Armor Bearer vs Flunky
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Originally Posted by warrior
Prax, that is what makes it really sad. We will fall for almost anything because the pastor says it should be done. The pastor should be ready to assist the people instead of having the men at the door filter the traffic. Just plain arrogant.
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It's funny...and they call us a cult because we deny the Trinity but to have people hand over their brains like that to one man sounds more like a religious cult than anything
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-02-2010, 02:59 PM
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Re: Armor Bearer vs Flunky
Altar boys.
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03-02-2010, 03:02 PM
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Re: Armor Bearer vs Flunky
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I have seen a number of pastors and their wives implement the position of the armour bear. These people stand guard for them, run errands, pray for them, provide a spiritual barrier between them and the devils tactics sent from outsiders, prepare meals and drinks, wipe sweat, pack luggages for trips etc.
Is this position biblical and necessary? What does the scripture say about this? Or do we see this as an "errand boy/girl for the pastor?
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some churches have pastoral care teams. I've seen them walk to the platform carrying stuff for the pastor. quite interesting many times the team is women.
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03-02-2010, 03:09 PM
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Re: Armor Bearer vs Flunky
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IA8QrOAghZ0
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Yup, that is exactly the relationship I am referring to. 
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03-02-2010, 03:36 PM
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Re: Armor Bearer vs Flunky
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I have seen a number of pastors and their wives implement the position of the armour bear. These people stand guard for them, run errands, pray for them, provide a spiritual barrier between them and the devils tactics sent from outsiders, prepare meals and drinks, wipe sweat, pack luggages for trips etc.
Is this position biblical and necessary? What does the scripture say about this? Or do we see this as an "errand boy/girl for the pastor?
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That's new to me. My Pastor has Armor Bearers... We do not run errands, but rather teach/preach sermons and give exhortations.
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03-02-2010, 04:02 PM
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Re: Armor Bearer vs Flunky
I could see having an administrative assistant if you're truly burdened - or even for a pastor or other leader who may be disabled or partially disabled.
Look at Batman and Alfred. They made that work without an undue loss of dignity for the long suffering Alfred. In fact, whenever it came down to it, Alfred was the one who usually saved the day.
Problems arise when many folks merely think they're Batman and attempt to engage their congregations and society in general in an overbearing and lawless fashion.
... Plus this new fad of attempting to label everything with some hokey biblical eisegesis term like ... "armor bearer," "Apostle" or even "Apostolic" ...
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03-02-2010, 04:03 PM
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Re: Armor Bearer vs Flunky
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That's new to me. My Pastor has Armor Bearers... We do not run errands, but rather teach/preach sermons and give exhortations.
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Do you carry weapons?
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