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Justin · #11 03-04-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The real problem here is that the WPF (or whatever unnamed org this is) has consistently said that they are not and would not "go after" UPC ministers and solicit their membership.

It's not like Lady Rev is getting Betty Crocker coupons in the mail when she prefers to bake with Duncan's cake mixes. As a UPC minister she and thousands of others are being solicited to join another org in contravention to the rules of the UPCI Manual.

My Pastor is UPCi, and from what I gather has no interest in WPF. Yet, he receives the monthly WPF magazine also (to the best of my knowledge: without asking for them).

jfrog · #12 03-04-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

The real problem here is that the WPF (or whatever unnamed org this is) has consistently said that they are not and would not "go after" UPC ministers and solicit their membership.

It's not like Lady Rev is getting Betty Crocker coupons in the mail when she prefers to bake with Duncan's cake mixes. As a UPC minister she and thousands of others are being solicited to join another org in contravention to the rules of the UPCI Manual.

If they said they wouldn't come after UPC ministers then they lied. Other than that though, telling others about a program or organization or anything else you think they might be interested in is quite normal and should be allowed and even encouraged. So what if the UPC loses a few members if those members found an organization they enjoy/like more elsewhere. It shouldn't be about whose a part of which organization and that's my point. So to accuse them of doing something unethical by merely soliciting the memebers of the UPC about their new organization brings into question the ethical grounds that the UPC has in not wanting their members to be solicited by similar organizations.

Like I said though, if they said they would not target the UPC members, then the new organization lied and that is very clear and to the point and should be the focus when anyone wants to discredit them.

pelathais · #13 03-04-2010, 10:30 PM

I agree frogger - and in the big scope of the universe and all... this is pretty small potatoes; but as you pointed out - most of these men will go ballistic if they even think someone is proselytizing one of their tithing saints, so the hypocrisy level is high.

CC1 · #14 03-04-2010, 11:08 PM

I don't think a religous organization that share your same basic doctrinal views sending you a magazine or literature is prosletyzing unless it is literature denigrating your religous org. or specifically trying to recruit you.

Sam · #15 03-04-2010, 11:19 PM

I receive a magazine from the OP organization with which I am licensed/ordained and also magazines from other OP organizations such as the UPC, CoJC, PAJC, and UACoJC plus others who are not considered OP. I receive these by my choice and just like to see what God is doing.

Nitehawk013 · #16 03-05-2010, 05:58 AM

While I am no fan of the practice of proseletyzing or stealing saints, I feel I must ask...is it even possible to steal saints in the first place?

A Pastor or church does NOT own any saints. People are free to go where they want. I believe strongly that a saint SHOULD stay and grow where they are planted, but anothe rpastor cannot steal saints. To steal a saint implies ownership and we are only owned by our God.

rgcraig · #17 03-05-2010, 07:40 AM

I think one of the issues is that they purchased the mailing list from WEC and used it against the terms of making that purchase.

ManOfWord · #18 03-05-2010, 08:15 AM

Which is why, once again, I am so glad to be independent. I don't have to worry about all the political positioning and silly stuff that takes energy, focus etc off the main thing, which is people finding Jesus Christ!

However, I do reserve the right to observe and kibitz from the sidelines!! LOL

jfrog · #19 03-05-2010, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by rgcraig

I think one of the issues is that they purchased the mailing list from WEC and used it against the terms of making that purchase.

Which brings me back to my point... The UPC acted unethically in not freely giving out such a list to other similar organizations that would have requested it. The reason this is unethical for a Christian organization is because they should seek to give their members every oppurtunity to find the perfect place for them and their churches to serve God. So why is everyone focusing on the other organization's ethics in obtaining the list and acting like the UPC did nothing unethical in this situation?

rgcraig · #20 03-05-2010, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jfrog

Which brings me back to my point... The UPC acted unethically in not freely giving out such a list to other similar organizations that would have requested it. The reason this is unethical for a Christian organization is because they should seek to give their members every oppurtunity to find the perfect place for them and their churches to serve God. So why is everyone focusing on the other organization's ethics in obtaining the list and acting like the UPC did nothing unethical in this situation?

You are assumming the UPC KNEW what the list was going to be used for. That might not have been the case.