Earrings? Why not? God piereces ears!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I think they would have to, or the hole would close.

I don't know...if you read the scriptures and the commentary the point wasn't an ear ring or a hole in the ear lobe, but the joining of the ear with the door to the house of the master

Exo 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him forever.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I don't know...if you read the scriptures and the commentary the point wasn't an ear ring or a hole in the ear lobe, but the joining of the ear with the door to the house of the master

Exo 21:6 Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him forever.

Scripture doesn't condemn earrings, so it's not illogical to assume they wore one in the hole to keep it open.

Also, the fact that they braced the ear against the door to make the hole doesn't mean that the point of the act was to "join...the ear with the door...." The point was creating a symbol of the fact that the servant would voluntarily serve the master forever. Whether that was just a hole or a hole with an earring in it seems marginal to me.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Scripture doesn't condemn earrings, so it's not illogical to assume they wore one in the hole to keep it open.

Also, the fact that they braced the ear against the door to make the hole doesn't mean that the point of the act was to "join...the ear with the door...." The point was creating a symbol of the fact that the servant would voluntarily serve the master forever. Whether that was just a hole or a hole with an earring in it seems marginal to me.

I didn't say scriptures condemn ear rings. I didn't say it was illogical to assume anything.

Im simply pointing out that there is no mention of a ring. It has to be assume they stuck a ring in the hole, which also assumes the intent was to keep the hole open, which is not supported by the text

Keil and Delitsch
In this case the master was to take his servant הָאֱלֹהִים אֶל, lit., to God, i.e., according to the correct rendering of the lxx, πρὸς τὸ κριτήριον, to the place where judgment was given in the name of God (Deu_1:17; cf. Exo_22:7-8, and Deu_19:17), in order that he might make a declaration there that he gave up his liberty. His ear was then to be bored with an awl against the door or lintel of the house, and by this sign, which was customary in many of the nations of antiquity, to be fastened as it were to the house for ever.

That this was the meaning of the piercing of the ear against the door of the house, is evident from the unusual expression in Deu_15:17, “and put (the awl) into his ear and into the door, that he may be thy servant for ever,” where the ear and the door are co-ordinates. “For ever,” i.e., as long as he lives. Josephus and the Rabbins would restrict the service to the time ending with the year of jubilee, but without sufficient reason, and contrary to the usage of the language, as לְעֹלָם is used in Lev_25:46 to denote service which did not terminate with the year of jubilee. (See the remarks on Lev_25:10; also my Archäologie.)

[CC1]

I always find it amusing to hear old time Pentecostal preachers preach about the Prodigal son coming home and the father giving him his ring when in the preachers own church any man wearing a ring would probably be condemmed. (and yes I know the significance of why the father gave the son the ring but it does not do away with the fact there was a ring to begin with and God had no problem with it despite the former RR's wild assertions that jewelry was cast down from heaven with the fallen angels).

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

I didn't say scriptures condemn ear rings. I didn't say it was illogical to assume anything.

I didn't say you did. I'm just pointing out that outside of our Pentecostal paradigm, it wouldn't occur to us to say they didn't wear an earring, because that would be the practical way of keeping the hole open. IMO, it's pointed out because, as usual, we have to find a way to sanitize the story. Not deliberately, mind you--it's just a habit.

Im simply pointing out that there is no mention of a ring. It has to be assume they stuck a ring in the hole, which also assumes the intent was to keep the hole open, which is not supported by the text

It's just a possibility--that's all--and not an illogical one. As I pointed out.

That this was the meaning of the piercing of the ear against the door of the house, is evident from the unusual expression in Deu_15:17, “and put (the awl) into his ear and into the door, that he may be thy servant for ever,” where the ear and the door are co-ordinates. “For ever,” i.e., as long as he lives. Josephus and the Rabbins would restrict the service to the time ending with the year of jubilee, but without sufficient reason, and contrary to the usage of the language, as לְעֹלָם is used in Lev_25:46 to denote service which did not terminate with the year of jubilee. (See the remarks on Lev_25:10; also my Archäologie.)

I'm intimately familiar with this particular text, due to a sermon I heard preached many times called "I love my Master." I agree with the interpretation that "forever" meant voluntary service "as long as he lives", because otherwise the ceremony would have been fairly insignificant.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by CC1

I always find it amusing to hear old time Pentecostal preachers preach about the Prodigal son coming home and the father giving him his ring when in the preachers own church any man wearing a ring would probably be condemmed. (and yes I know the significance of why the father gave the son the ring but it does not do away with the fact there was a ring to begin with and God had no problem with it despite the former RR's wild assertions that jewelry was cast down from heaven with the fallen angels).

?????? I've never heard that one!

[mfblume]

God thinks it is beautiful.

Ezekiel 16:12-13 KJV And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head. (13) Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

?????? I've never heard that one!

I only know that second hand from what someone posted on AFF a year or two ago. Perhaps someone who has been to a woman's conference the former RR has spoke at and covered this subject can weigh in.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I didn't say you did. I'm just pointing out that outside of our Pentecostal paradigm, it wouldn't occur to us to say they didn't wear an earring, because that would be the practical way of keeping the hole open. IMO, it's pointed out because, as usual, we have to find a way to sanitize the story. Not deliberately, mind you--it's just a habit.

Im posting from the perspective that doesn't believe ear rings are wrong though :-)

It's just a possibility--that's all--and not an illogical one. As I pointed out.

Sure, but we can't do any thing more than speculate. I agree. For all we know they stuck bamboo shoots through them

I'm intimately familiar with this particular text, due to a sermon I heard preached many times called "I love my Master." I agree with the interpretation that "forever" meant voluntary service "as long as he lives", because otherwise the ceremony would have been fairly insignificant.

Me too. It was one of the first messages that ever really stuck in my mind that my first Pastor taught.

[berkeley]

The size of the hole in the ear would determine if an earring was needed to keep the hole from closing.