I'm not sure I follow. 1:100 people's genitals deviate from the norm for their chromosomal sex. Again, regardless of what the actually number is, only a 0:0 would disprove my point.
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Originally Posted by brad2723
Whether the stat is 1:100 or 1:10000 doesn't change my point (though the 1:100 stat is accurate).
Maybe I missed something in the translation.
100=10000 ?
If I have 1 part of 10000 it is NOT equal to 1 part per 100
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I apologize, I did not see that you had it listed. However, my point still stands as correct. 1:100 births the childs chromosomal sex does not match it's genitalia.
But that's not what the stat says. I'd rather you quote what it actually says, which is nothing close to what you are saying.
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Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births
The website doesn't clarify exactly what is meant by this statement, but it could mean a lot of things that has nothing to do with genitalia. The stat above says the bodies differ from what is standard, not genitals.
I know a boy who has 6 fingers on each hand. His body is different than that of a standard male.
I know a lady who has nothing developed below the elbow of her left arm. Her body is different than that of a standard female.
I think the stats were showing a comparison of chromasomal defects compared to other genetic defects without going into detail on each one.
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Excuses may not change God's created design but nature has. Once again I ask the question that everyone is avoiding. Who is the hermaphrodite biblically allowed to be in a relationship with? Hermaphroditism is not an excuse; it is an anatomical deviation from God's original creation or, as ManOfWord stated, an anatomic deviation from "A's" and "B's" of God's initial design.
Brad, you are reaching and bringing in rare anomalies to justify your choices in life.
However, even hermaphrodites live as one sex or the other, not change with the seasons. And in this day and age, chromasomal studies are done to determine what sex they actually are, and often, the decision is made in regard to surgery, although the right thing to do is wait until puberty or even adulthood to have the surgery....just in case.
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The website doesn't clarify exactly what is meant by this statement, but it could mean a lot of things that has nothing to do with genitalia. The stat above says the bodies differ from what is standard, not genitals.
I know a boy who has 6 fingers on each hand. His body is different than that of a standard male.
I know a lady who has nothing developed below the elbow of her left arm. Her body is different than that of a standard female.
I think the stats were showing a comparison of chromasomal defects compared to other genetic defects without going into detail on each one.
You're an LPN working on your RN, I assume. You should understand this language better than anyone.
First, it is from the Intersex Socity of North America so its stats are dealing with intersex issues. If someone has an extra finger then they deviate from the standard human. If some deviates from the standard male then it is in reference to male anatomy. I don't think we need to clarify the anatomical differences between male and female. If one's deviation is not sex-specific then identifying the sex is not necessary. A person who has no arm below their elbow does not deviate from standard female’s anatomy but standard human anatomy. I am having a difficult time believing that you really do not understand what the statistic on the website is referring to. Every other statistic mentioned on that page is dealing very specifically with male/female anatomy, i.e. genitalia.
Brad, you are reaching and bringing in rare anomalies to justify your choices in life.
However, even hermaphrodites live as one sex or the other, not change with the seasons. And in this day and age, chromasomal studies are done to determine what sex they actually are, and often, the decision is made in regard to surgery, although the right thing to do is wait until puberty or even adulthood to have the surgery....just in case.
Of course they live as one sex or the other. The question was who they are allowed to have an intimate relationship with and whether that allowance should be based on their chromosomal sex or their genitalia. Are you suggesting that chromosomal sex is what determines who one human should or should not be allowed to be intimate with?
You're an LPN working on your RN, I assume. You should understand this language better than anyone.
First, it is from the Intersex Socity of North America so its stats are dealing with intersex issues. If someone has an extra finger then they deviate from the standard human. If some deviates from the standard male then it is in reference to male anatomy. I don't think we need to clarify the anatomical differences between male and female. If one's deviation is not sex-specific then identifying the sex is not necessary. A person who has no arm below their elbow does not deviate from standard female’s anatomy but standard human anatomy. I am having a difficult time believing that you really do not understand what the statistic on the website is referring to. Every other statistic mentioned on that page is dealing very specifically with male/female anatomy, i.e. genitalia.
There are lots of diseases and conditions that are sex-linked, yet have nothing to do with physical anatomy. Perhaps it's referring to this.
It doesn't say what it's referring to, but assumption on my part, as well as yours. However, they have the stats for the specifics that don't tie in to the low stat you originally quoted when the others are so high.
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Of course they live as one sex or the other. The question was who they are allowed to have an intimate relationship with and whether that allowance should be based on their chromosomal sex or their genitalia. Are you suggesting that chromosomal sex is what determines who one human should or should not be allowed to be intimate with?
Brad, discussing this issue with you when it has nothing to do with your situation, I feel, that it's just a way for you to justify your feelings in the matter. I'm not privy to discussing what others go through as a way to justify how I live, yet I feel that's what you are trying to do.
But to answer your question, if they choose to live as a woman, having both genitalia, then they should live as a woman and marry a man, if they so desire to marry.
But again, this is a rare situation and not one you have admitting to having, so you cannot take what their choices might be and apply them to yourself.
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There are lots of diseases and conditions that are sex-linked, yet have nothing to do with physical anatomy. Perhaps it's referring to this.
It doesn't say what it's referring to, but assumption on my part, as well as yours. However, they have the stats for the specifics that don't tie in to the low stat you originally quoted when the others are so high.
For those reading this blog let me clarify something that HeavenlyOne seems to want to deny. First of all, the statistics are located under the link "How Common Is Intersex?" which clearly implies it is not referring to sex-linked diseases such as hemophilia and muscular dystrophy but is referring to anatomical deviations. Also, the stat reads as follows: Total number of people whose bodies differ from standard male or female one in 100 births. It specifically says "bodies." I admit it is vague but when it is looked at in its entire context it's pretty clear what it is talking about. Not to mention the fact that every statistic before and after it is also dealing specifically with genital abnormalities.
Brad, discussing this issue with you when it has nothing to do with your situation, I feel, that it's just a way for you to justify your feelings in the matter. I'm not privy to discussing what others go through as a way to justify how I live, yet I feel that's what you are trying to do.
But to answer your question, if they choose to live as a woman, having both genitalia, then they should live as a woman and marry a man, if they so desire to marry.
But again, this is a rare situation and not one you have admitting to having, so you cannot take what their choices might be and apply them to yourself.
It has a lot to do with my situation because it proves that God's original creative plan regarding male and female has been altered genetically; likely as a result of man's fallen state. If there is a standard rule that applies to all and is specifically applied to homosexuals (i.e. "God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve) then that rule must be applicable to all of God's creation. It is NOT applicable to hermaphrodites who ARE God's creation.
Also, if outward/anatomical variations can take place, and if chromosomal variations can take place, why is it so hard to accept that orientation variations can exist even if they do not reflect God's original creative plan?
Do you believe heterosexuals are born that way or do you believe heterosexuality is learned? If you believe it is learned then how is it that the vast majority of XX individuals are attracted to XY individuals and how is it that the majority of XY individuals are attracted to XX individuals? This proves that orientation is more than just a learned behavior. There is something genetic that causes one to be orientated to a specific sex.
Being sexually attracted to a male (XY) is only considered homosexual when we can identify the chromosomal sex of the individual with the attraction. If the individual is also XY then we consider the attraction to be homosexual in orientation. Therefore, if there is a genetic influence the causes MOST XY's to be attracted to XX's just as MOST XY's are born with a penis and testicles, it is just as likely that an XY can be genetically influenced to be orientated to an XY just as an XY can be born without a penis and WITH a vagina.
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