Locking borders Christian?

[rgcraig]

I know one thing they could do to make room. Gather up all the Americans who are complaining about America and send them to Mexico.

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by n david

I worked INS for a few years, so I know a lot of the arguments are plain wrong.

Amount of legal immigrants allow is right. Too many each year would
overload the system. There has to be a cutoff point. That may not seem fair to some, but it's what it is.

How long it takes depends on what status is being applied for. Becoming a citizen is a process - as it should be. But obtaining legal status is neither difficult nor is it overly expensive. The key word is legal status. Becoming a citizen is a long process, obtaining legal status is not.

I know we'll have to deal with some kind of amnesty, as much as I'm against it and hate it. It's the only way. What I cannot stand is illegal/legal migrants that come over here demanding we change our laws and everything to suit them, waving the mexican flag and calling for a revolution.

If they want a revolution, they should start in mexico. That's where the revolution needs to happen.

JMO

Your on to something here...and with the experience to back it up with working for INS...the legal immigration, illegal immigration, and the ones protesting waving a Mexican flag in US borders always seem to be lumped together. I don't believe anyone has a right to wave a flag of another nation in protest of our policies...that legal immigrants should be profiled because of those who do so illegally, in a state law by a state that issues drivers license without question of citizenship...how insane is that? BTW...Calderon is out of line protesting our law on our soil...he has many issues of his own there he should be addressing.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

We are by our own profession a Christian nation and most Apostolics have taken offense to the statements that our president has made saying otherwise...but as Christians is it right to live here in luxury while a nation right below us struggles to eat and stay alive?

The "nation below us" struggles due to inequalities in their social order. "We" have had the same inequalities as well - that was the biggest reason for our rebellion against Great Britain.

We can't "fix" Mexico. Only the Mexican people can. By shuttling their disenfranchised and unemployed off onto the United States, Mexico has been able to avoid the major societal changes that they need to fix their problems. Turning off the "safety valve" of illegal immigration would put internal pressures upon the Mexican elite to reform. That's the key to this whole issue. Why don't Mexican people march in the streets of Mexico protesting for jobs and better living conditions? The answer is because they would be shot in the streets. So, instead they flee here.

Mexico is a rich nation. It has the 2nd largest oil reserves in the Americas, after Canada - and their oil isn't locked up in tar sands like much of the Canadian oil, so it's easier to pump, process and sell. They have rich mineral deposits and the capability to grow far more crops and food than their own population requires.

Mexico is actually in a pretty sweet position as a global economic force. It's just that things haven't changed all that much since the days of Cortez. With the exception of Vincente Fox's term, Mexico has had one party rule for over 100 years.

[Aquila]

Yes. Locking the boarders and protecting our nation is the Christian thing to do.

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes. Locking the boarders and protecting our nation is the Christian thing to do.

Locking us inside?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

Locking us inside?

Who has proposed that?

The current lawlessness at the border is a huge factor that keeps many Americans from actually interacting directly with their southern neighbors. Establishing the rule of law would be one huge step toward better relations with the Mexican people in general, though there are those on both sides of the border who would seek to exploit these folks and they are the ones resisting change.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

We are by our own profession a Christian nation and most Apostolics have taken offense to the statements that our president has made saying otherwise...but as Christians is it right to live here in luxury while a nation right below us struggles to eat and stay alive?

Is it right to have our own nation where people struggle to eat and stay alive?

Is the solution open borders where we allow the drug cartels free access to bring their killings here and make America as bad as Mexico?

If this is your argument, why not just allow anyone, anywhere in the world, to come to America if they want? Do you realize what happens to America when that happens?

No the solution is to offer help to those nations, if they want it and if they are serious about cleaning up the corruption, to become better nations themselves

BTW Rome was a great nation, with great achievements for their day and age. Many other nations could have benefited from them if not for their own internal corruption and being over run by Barbarians (foreigners)

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Yes. Locking the boarders and protecting our nation is the Christian thing to do.

Originally Posted by Joey Boneski

Locking us inside?

I never understand how someone can analyze what someone else says and come to conclusions that make no sense.

Locking US inside? No, locking the bad guys out, obviously

[Joey Boneski]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Is it right to have our own nation where people struggle to eat and stay alive?

Is the solution open borders where we allow the drug cartels free access to bring their killings here and make America as bad as Mexico?

If this is your argument, why not just allow anyone, anywhere in the world, to come to America if they want? Do you realize what happens to America when that happens?

No the solution is to offer help to those nations, if they want it and if they are serious about cleaning up the corruption, to become better nations themselves

BTW Rome was a great nation, with great achievements for their day and age. Many other nations could have benefited from them if not for their own internal corruption and being over run by Barbarians (foreigners)

The solution isn't opening but a better way of regulating...not lumping everyone into the same pile as the drug cartels. This nation is imploding and I think its hypocritical to point the blame at Mexico. Our current laws arent being enforced and adding more that happen to take away the rights of everyone here is a way to slide in and remove those rights...while pointing fingers.

[Sweet Pea]

I just found out about a place on the AZ border that every morning, a group of approximately 100 children cross the border FROM Mexico and wait for the school buses. They board the bus - go to a public AZ school and then ride the bus home. After the bus drives off, they proceed to walk across the border to their homes IN MEXICO.

Folks, no matter how you slice it, that is WRONG ! The AZ taxpayers are paying for those children's education while programs in the public schools their own children attend are being cut - for lack of funds!

I appreciate the fact that they want to better themselves - but I agree with the posters who state: DO IT LEGALLY !!!!