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Old 02-11-2010, 04:14 PM
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Sadly, those rapture scare tactics are just part of an arsenal of scare tactics geared at keeping people bound to the attending of the institutional church with their... contributions. I think most pastors don't do this consciously, but it is the nature of the beast. An institutional church can't survive fanancially without a growing base of contributing members.

I was once told by a pastor that if the house church movement succeded he'd be out a job. Ummm... Yep.
So if we believe in the fear of the Lord we are part of the institutional Church. We believe in the rip off tactics of it?

I left the Church system in 1982 for good. This was after my time in the Church of Christ, Freewill Baptist, Jesus Movement, Pentecostal, Charismatic and Apostolic Churches. In 13 years of Pastoring I took ONE OFFERING. I believe I can speak with at least a small amount of understanding on the institutional Church vs the Home Church.

Do I teach Yeshua put fear in his teaching of the rapture?

1: Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2: And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3: They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4: But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5: While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6: And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7: Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8: And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9: But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10: And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11: Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12: But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13: Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. Matt. 25:1-13

Hmmm did the Lord want us to understand something here? Could it be that many people will NOT be accepted by him at his coming?
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It's really sad that so many Christians live in fear and uncertainty. They have a "If I can just hold on till the end" mentality and are afraid they might lose their temper the day the Lord comes for His church and they might not repent in time to make it. The rapture (as I understand it) is supposed to be a comfort and a hope --not a fear tactic (Ref 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 and then verse 18). We criticize "the Catholics" because the priest holds their salvation in his hands and they have to confess to him on time and get married by him and have his prayers at death to make it. He is their ponte or bridge between them and God. Then many of us Apostolics do the same thing and have people scared to disagree with their pastor on any issue.
1 John 5:13 tells us that we can know we are saved, and we know we are saved because we believe on Jesus --not because we follow a list of requirements
But Sam John ALSO said this.

3: And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6: He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 2:1-6

Faith is the basis of everything. Yet those who are IN HIM walk as he walked. Those who actually KEEP HIS WORD.....John said in THEM is the love of God perfected.
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But Sam John ALSO said this.

3: And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4: He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5: But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6: He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
1 John 2:1-6

Faith is the basis of everything. Yet those who are IN HIM walk as he walked. Those who actually KEEP HIS WORD.....John said in THEM is the love of God perfected.
Tell me Micheal, what are his commandments so I can know if I do know him?
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Tell me Micheal, what are his commandments so I can know if I do know him?
The knowledge of his commandments is found in abiding in Yeshua. If you love him you are keeping them already.

3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
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Many in the Churches no longer fear God. They think if they sin there will be no punishment. Altho it seems to be true one must not make the mistake of taking that for granted. Has God said in his word he will punish those who sin in this life because of their actions or not?

14: But I have a few things against thee, because thou hast there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication.
15: So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
16: Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. Rev. 2: 14-16

Yeshua threatens these false teachers with the sword of his mouth.

20: Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21: And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22: Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23: And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. Rev. 2:20-23

If these did not repent he would cast them into tribulation. He will kill their children.

5: But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.
6: Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
7: Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.
8: Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 1 Cor. 10:5-8

These are said to be examples to the New Testament Church. Lusting after evil things 23000 fell in one day.

9: Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
10: Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
11: Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

1 Cor. 10:9-11

Paul says plainly these judgments are written for US to take heed who live at the end of the world.

Yeshua again warning his people.

19: As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. Rev. 3:19

The conclusion?

Yeshua leaves himself the right to chasten his people according to his will. It could be mild or it could be severe.

The teaching of today has banned the Lord from judging his people. They say he would not do so but would wait till he comes to settle sins commited. Some assume he automatically forgives sin and go on their merry way.

Oh friends its time to start believing (having faith in) the words of the Lord. Its time we took Yeshua Messiah seriously.

With the restored message of the fear of God will return the message of ceasing from and overcoming sin on a consistent basis. Saints will yearn for the perfection and holiness of Yeshua.

Many of the light messages now being preached will be discarded and Ministry will begin to fulfill its purpose to present every man perfect in Christ.

Miracles of judgment are still real today. They punish men and point them to repentance. They bring the good and healthy fear of the Lord back to the lives of those who take sin lightly. They glorify the God of Heaven when he becomes small in the eyes of men.

Love God. Fear God. You will have his favor.
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The knowledge of his commandments is found in abiding in Yeshua. If you love him you are keeping them already.

3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
Then why speak all through this thread about the fear of God. Most of the Christians I know love Jesus... at least I think they do
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Then why speak all through this thread about the fear of God. Most of the Christians I know love Jesus... at least I think they do
Why speak on the fear of God? Because its part of preaching the whole counsel of God. Because a whole lot of the Bible is devoted to illustrating the fear of God.

Its not like I have made any of this up.

To me the real question is why do you want the preaching of the fear of God diminished if these things are so?
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Why speak on the fear of God? Because its part of preaching the whole counsel of God. Because a whole lot of the Bible is devoted to illustrating the fear of God.

Its not like I have made any of this up.

To me the real question is why do you want the preaching of the fear of God diminished if these things are so?
Because your two statements are conflicting. It is either easy to keep God's commandments as you insinuated to me earlier or it is not. If it is easy then it seems most people are doing that and there would be no need to constantly bring up the fear of God.

If it is not easy to keep God's commandments then preach the fear of God, but don't forget to tell people plainly what they must do. The only logical conclusion from you preaching the fear of God like you are is that you believe alot of people aren't doing as they should. So you should tell us plainly what we ought to be doing if this is really the case.
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