of course we know that we can be saved (considered following him) without being a disciple..... right....
They are not mutually exclusive in reality. In theory they are. Just as we can talk about jusitification and sanctification, almost as if they are separated, but in reality they aren't.
There are mature, immature and many of us that are "getting there" believers.
They are not mutually exclusive in reality. In theory they are. Just as we can talk about jusitification and sanctification, almost as if they are separated, but in reality they aren't.
There are mature, immature and many of us that are "getting there" believers.
you still don't get it or the context of the verses concerning following him and the point action required to be considered "turned" to follow. That's fine we have went through this way to many times and I expect that.
See this is what I don't understand. That goes COMPLETELY against my experiences. When I was "living for God" my life sucked beyond belief. I was miserable, hopeless, beaten down, and depressed. I spent years believing that I was intrinsically flawed, that I was a horrible terrible person because no matter what I did, it was never enough! I don't know if I can find the right words to describe how truly dark and bleak those years were.
And now, now that I am living in "rampant sin", my life is the most peaceful that it's ever been. And I am truly content with my circumstances, my strengths, my weaknesses, my limitations. And though I wouldn't mind a little more in the bank, there is little about my life I would change.
Truly I'm not bitter. I have come to see the good that came out of my time and my experiences. There are character strengths and insight that I gained. And it contributed to the person I am today. But I doubt that I would ever be able to agree that it was "easy".
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That is what I was trying to say about man-made addition s to the Gospel. My opinion is that you were obviously underneath a set of man made additions that made serving God terrible. But do not throw out the baby with the bathwater. When people find what Jesus was really talking about and filter out all the junk that was added to his words, His word really is true when He said His yoke is easy and burden is light.
The way I cam to grips with this is by getting into the bible for myself, and realizing all I may have been taught was wrong. I sincerely sought God and did not look for loopholes for anything. And this is what Acts 17 described as being more noble. The Bereans took it for themselves and searched the scriptures to see whether what they were told was true or not. When I did that, wow, serving God became AWESOME! And it gets better all the time!
Just because you seemingly were bombarded with extrabiblical error and misinterpretation of the scriptures, does not mean there is no true understanding of the Bible that will give heaven on earth when followed.
My thoughts exactly! Your response to Michlow is awesome. Your words are exactly what I was thinking as I was reading her post but I could have never put it into words as you did.
you still don't get it or the context of the verses concerning following him and the point action required to be considered "turned" to follow. That's fine we have went through this way to many times and I expect that.
I understand perfectly your point. I just simply disagree with your conclusion.
Point to, judged faithful, pay the price for your own salvation... all your rhetoric just seems out of whack to me. Doesn't stack up or add up.
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