Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by tv1a

Do you know what your taxes are paying for?

If you're giving to God, it shouldn't matter. If you are going to micromanage, you're better finding another place to invest in the kingdom.

Find another place to invest... Hmmmm... Really???? Is this the way MOST ministers feel? In other words, if I want an accounting of the finances, then I should just "get lost" ???? Thanks for the advice. I've heard it before.

Let me just put it this way... As a teacher, I always welcome when the administration "spot checks" my lesson plans and "pops" in on my classroom for observations. Of course, I only WELCOME these opportunities because I am doing exactly what I am supposed to be doing. On the other hand, there are those teachers who CRINGE when it's checkup time and wish that admin would just go away.

Which type are you???

[Fiyahstarter]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Didn't you read my post? All the cons that I know rejected Stoneking and Rediers absurd doctrine.

[Tlswift2009]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I am so happy for you. I never heard any conservatives preach on inward holiness or prayer or dedication they were too busy measuring sleeves. All the libs I have known spent hours in prayer and in humble dedication to God mostly fasting that is why all liberals are skinny. NEVER has a liberal preacher or saint failed morally. This is good to know. I would post more but I am busy thinking of some more rules to put on God's people to make their lives miserable. Only ultra cons like Swaggart & Bakker really fail morally. I guess I better stop so you can get back to that all day prayer meeting remember NO lunch today.:heehee hee

Brother, I have been so grieved with so many Pastors/Leadership substituting having a true prayer/consecrated life; which is tuff/challenging, but it produces the proper inward growth that God wants for His people; putting all these rule. on God's people {seems like the Mosaic ordinances of old}. I'm not naive to think that there should not be biblical standards, and proper living conduct for God's people, but when the Pastor spends that proper time before God; God will anoint that Pastor, and enlighten the pastor on how to bring about perfection {spiritual growth and maturity} that Ephesians chapter 4 talks about. The Lord blessed the first church that I pastored back in 1989 tremendously because my wife and I took to prayer {long sessions daily; especially me}, and added some fastingl; even fasting periods of 3, 5, 7, 10, 17, 21, and once a 29 day period of fasting, and the church exploded. I came into a church that was shattered by the Pastor's adultery with the secretary and it was a big mess; very unrepented, and the people were wounded and very hostile, but God gave me wisdom as a 27 year old how to tender/love the sheep to/thru a healing process, and we went on to be a thriving; growing church; an explosive community outreach, prison ministry, bus ministry, radio, til we did not know what to do with all the people coming: church grew from 17 to 141 within 3-4 years, and I had one of those pastors {they call themselves overseers}; he became very jealous of the ministry's success and cause me a lot of trouble til I simply resigned and moved on; what he FAILED to realize; this boy was walking the floors of the church 1-3 hours daily praying alone at the church, and praying from Saturday evening into Sunday morning; anointing the pews, and when service time came: DYNOMITE ANNOINTING!!!! People were getting filled with the Holyghost; very drunk style; could not walk they were so drunk in the spirit; baptised so many people in 1 7 year period til we could not keep count; our Wednesday Bibl study was pack out with people from all over Memphis; our one hour Saturday prayer service oftentimes ended up a prayer/worshiop service; this all came about through stedfastness in that personal consecrative prayer life that I developed before God. All this binding and legislating God's people is because many of the pastors lack the prayer life that produced continued delverance type of anointing whereas the people will grow/mature to want to conform to God's will, and be transformed; not by rules, but by the power of the Holyghost. I've just witnessed a better quality of saints when it's done God's way. I justed started anothe rministry in the heart of South memphis; very, very, challenging, but I'm applying the same principles to see God grow this church as He did back in the 90's-early 2000's: the proper care and growth of the church rest upon the spiritual condition of its pastor/leadership. You're commentary about this conservative/liberal issue(s) is correct; a lot of hypocricies among the so-called consevatives; whereas with liberal; you know where they stand. My wife and I have a very strong personal standard of holiness lifestyle, but it comes from personal convictions within, which is influenced by God's word....

[johnny44]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Thank you for your honest assessment and I have and am praying for your church. The difference is lib and con is in the reading. I had no intent to be offensive you folks don't need that during this time of hurt. I hope soon you guys will find a good man to lead you and your church will be healed.

No wonder I miss this man on Aff.

[CC1]

Back to the original topic of this thread does anybody know;

1. Has the church settled the severance package TB was demanding yet?
2. Has the church started a search for a new pastor and if so have they had any candidates in to preach?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by CC1

Back to the original topic of this thread does anybody know;

1. Has the church settled the severance package TB was demanding yet?
2. Has the church started a search for a new pastor and if so have they had any candidates in to preach?

1. I don't know

2. They haven't contacted me yet to try out






.

[tv1a]

Why do you give? It's an investment. You believe in the vision. Know one really gives without expecting results. You invest your money in projects or people you believe in. If you have any questions, you have a responsibility to protect your resources or reallocate them into a more productive environment. It is naive to think giving is not an investment. If you don't like how your money is spent, don't complain about it. Take your contributions elsewhere. If enough people do that, the offending corporation would fold or change their practices.

The Bible gives numerous examples of corporate accountability in the church. There is no problem opening the books.

There is a reason Christ chose successful business owners as disciples. The New Testament church operated as a business from day one. Appointing someone to fill in Judas's spot on the board of directors, appointing people to take care of the treasury, delegating responsibilities. The Apostles had that training before they became disciples. Christ taught them how to apply Kingdom Principles. Combine those two along with the power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit, you find the church set up for success, rapid growth, and the ability to help other saints in need. Christ used business owners to establish His church.

Originally Posted by Fiyahstarter

Find another place to invest... Hmmmm... Really???? Is this the way MOST ministers feel? In other words, if I want an accounting of the finances, then I should just "get lost" ???? Thanks for the advice. I've heard it before.

Let me just put it this way... As a teacher, I always welcome when the administration "spot checks" my lesson plans and "pops" in on my classroom for observations. Of course, I only WELCOME these opportunities because I am doing exactly what I am supposed to be doing. On the other hand, there are those teachers who CRINGE when it's checkup time and wish that admin would just go away.

Which type are you???

[tv1a]

No one attacked you. You responded to Ferd's comments by stating he should go away if the thread offended him. I defended Ferd's comments.

I'm flattered at the godlike status you afford me if you think I'm judging you. You can't come out and say this thread is helping heal the hurting congregation because you painted yourself in a corner with everyone has a right to express their own opinion. You encouraged people to continue the conversation despite the fact it goes against Biblical protocol. The Bible is clear about how to handle this situation. I pointed out the inconsistencies of your post in light of scripture.

You can't accuse a person of judging when they point out the obvious. For example, if I point out a scripture which says not to take the Name of the Lord in vain, and you say you have a right to say God's name in vain, it's not judging. It's comparing your words with what's in the Bible.

The same principle applies the Bible established the way to handle this situation. When presented with scripture, you continued to experss the desire to keep the conversation going by encouraging people to violate scripture and voice their opinions.

Which is more important to you? The Bible, or your voicing your opinion?

I don't think I've agreed with Ferd and Steve Epley before. I agree with them in this case. The congregation deserves to opportunity to heal. Pithy opinions, little comments, and public innuendos there don't help anything at all.

Do you care to respond to the post, or are you going to go into another tirade against me?

Originally Posted by webe123

tv1a YOU was the one attacking that started attacking ME on a public forum, and I will not stand for it.

And you HIDING behind the NOTION of "pointing out" things..... now makes you a judge and jury? What gives you the right to judge other people? That I will not stand for either.

And you ARE judging them, weather or not you want to admit that fact makes no difference.

Simply "Pointing out" something is far different from the attack you made on me a few posts back, so get your facts straight!

It is time for YOU to quit trolling for a fight, when you cannot even seem to grasp the idea of a different point of view!

Don't like me posting in this thread? TOUGH! Get over it, because I am going to do it weather or not you like it!

You tell others to stop posting, while you go on and post in a thread you say you despise? What does that say about you?

For all the idiotic finger pointing you have been doing at me, there is three fingers pointing right back at you.

So give it a rest!

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

STOP right this minute only we cons have the right to be nasty and demeaning. It is our job to do that while we are sewing more material to our sleeves. This is our corner go join that brother at his prayer and fasting meeting today.

You gotta love the Epmeister!

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by CC1

LOL!!!

Funny thing is if a "con" posted exact same thing I doubt there would be the sarcastic ridiculing response.