it's been my experience that ladies especially who get the holy ghost one night and vow from that moment on to never cut their hair again, put on a pair of pants, etc usually last about 2 months and then you never see them again. not to say that is always the case, but if you truly do something for the right reason you will put much thought and prayer into it first.
it's been my experience that ladies especially who get the holy ghost one night and vow from that moment on to never cut their hair again, put on a pair of pants, etc usually last about 2 months and then you never see them again. not to say that is always the case, but if you truly do something for the right reason you will put much thought and prayer into it first.
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
What is great is when the standard of a church in any community is such that folks in that community see them as godly, principled, honest, loving and giving people within their community.
Far too many people have defined holiness through what they have separated themselves from, rather than by what they have given themselves to. The focus of our lives should not be the elimination of sin. Once we have been saved we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin, but alive unto God in Christ. (Rom.6:11) Once we have dealt with sin, and begun, through our walk in the Spirit, to live a life that honors God, the focus should become serving God by what we do when when leave the church service on Sunday.
When we let our light (received as a result of salvation) so shine before our community that they see our good works, (Mt. 5:16) not only will God be glorified, but the local church will have set a standard that is very attractive to those who are looking for something real, relevantrelational, and restorative.
When folks find a church that truly loves people the dress standard will be overshadowed by their acts of love and mercy! Believe it or not, committing sins of commission is not the greatest tragedy a Christian encounters, because there is a provision for that (1Jn.1:9). The greatest tragedy is the life we fail to live, even though we profess having received the life of Christ.
What is great is when the standard of a church in any community is such that folks in that community see them as godly, principled, honest, loving and giving people within their community.
Far too many people have defined holiness through what they have separated themselves from, rather than by what they have given themselves to. The focus of our lives should not be the elimination of sin. Once we have been saved we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin, but alive unto God in Christ. (Rom.6:11) Once we have dealt with sin, and begun, through our walk in the Spirit, to live a life that honors God, the focus should become serving God by what we do when when leave the church service on Sunday.
When we let our light (received as a result of salvation) so shine before our community that they see our good works, (Mt. 5:16) not only will God be glorified, but the local church will have set a standard that is very attractive to those who are looking for something real, relevantrelational, and restorative.
When folks find a church that truly loves people the dress standard will be overshadowed by their acts of love and mercy! Believe it or not, committing sins of commission is not the greatest tragedy a Christian encounters, because there is a provision for that (1Jn.1:9). The greatest tragedy is the life we fail to live, even though we profess having received the life of Christ.
Jesus never told me how I should dress, but He did tell me to love my neighbor.
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Just wondering, it seems you believe that the Holy Spirit guides people in dress/hair standards. E.g., a woman may be led by the Spirit never to cut her hair and never to wear pants. Is that correct?
If so, does He also, in some cases, not lead certain other believers in the same direction? E.g., a woman may feel no conviction about pants, or cutting hair. Is that correct?
Or is the latter woman just not listening to the HS? Or does the HS usually lead people in the same direction as other people in the same local
church?
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On On the pants issue - my best friend thinks this is hilarious. She wears pants, but not to church. I can't wear them because I feel sexual in them. She laughs her head off over that. I'm sure it was from my bartending days, but really, I will always feel that way about pants personally. I don't look down on others, but that is why I don't and can't wear them, plus they are uncomfortable.
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Originally Posted by Scotty
Exactly , everyone is different...
I have a friend who does not have a tv because he says "I am not good at controling it" It takes his time away from him, yet he has the most awesome collection of PC games I have ever seen, but rarely plays them.
I have a tv, I rarely watch it, mostly Fox news, some History and disovery and animal planet, but usually have praise music going...however , I have given away all of my PC games because they possessed my time. I would be up till midnight or later playing Black Hawk Down online.
See the difference, thats why standards are personal.
So to answer your question , yes...I believe some standards can come from conviction and some are just personal to you.
Believe me , I did not want to get rid of my games, one night I sat down to play and while it was loading it hit me like a ton of bricks on my shoulders......"i could be praying right now, I could be holding a family bible study, I could be at the church fixing something...etc etc. I broke every game CD I had right then and there and threw them in the trash...thats conviction...and I have been blessed tremendously for adhering...
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
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Originally Posted by Pressing-On On the pants issue - my best friend thinks this is hilarious. She wears pants, but not to church. I can't wear them because I feel sexual in them. She laughs her head off over that. I'm sure it was from my bartending days, but really, I will always feel that way about pants personally. I don't look down on others, but that is why I don't and can't wear them, plus they are uncomfortable.
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So to answer your question , yes...I believe some standards can come from conviction and some are just personal to you.
Believe me , I did not want to get rid of my games, one night I sat down to play and while it was loading it hit me like a ton of bricks on my shoulders......"i could be praying right now, I could be holding a family bible study, I could be at the church fixing something...etc etc. I broke every game CD I had right then and there and threw them in the trash...thats conviction...and I have been blessed tremendously for adhering...
I see, thanks.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
What is great is when the standard of a church in any community is such that folks in that community see them as godly, principled, honest, loving and giving people within their community.
Far too many people have defined holiness through what they have separated themselves from, rather than by what they have given themselves to. The focus of our lives should not be the elimination of sin. Once we have been saved we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin, but alive unto God in Christ. (Rom.6:11) Once we have dealt with sin, and begun, through our walk in the Spirit, to live a life that honors God, the focus should become serving God by what we do when when leave the church service on Sunday.
When we let our light (received as a result of salvation) so shine before our community that they see our good works, (Mt. 5:16) not only will God be glorified, but the local church will have set a standard that is very attractive to those who are looking for something real, relevantrelational, and restorative.
When folks find a church that truly loves people the dress standard will be overshadowed by their acts of love and mercy! Believe it or not, committing sins of commission is not the greatest tragedy a Christian encounters, because there is a provision for that (1Jn.1:9). The greatest tragedy is the life we fail to live, even though we profess having received the life of Christ.
WOW Post of the month here!
Well said Tb, well said. Often times we look at what we are seperate from and not who or what are seperate to..man great words!
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Jack Shephard.
Instead of attacking me, why don't you dissect what I've said and tell me why you disagree. I would love to hear your point of view without all the drama. Sincerely, tell me why what I've said is warped and not true. Don't attack me, I'm not attacking you, let's stick to the facts.
This is a great question to ponder?
Is it healthy for our children to impose unbiblical standards by which they will experience rejection from their peers? If so, tell me why?
Here is a little lesson.
if I said " you are an idiot" that would be an atack.
feeling sorry for your
A. ignorance (lack of learning or poor teaching)
B. willingness to express a bigoted view
is not a personal attack.
Brother, I cannot help you. I have read enough to know that you dont want help. your view of Holiness is what it is and to me it is worth little more than pity. You got here by your one means. you wont listen to me.
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if I said " you are an idiot" that would be an atack.
feeling sorry for your
A. ignorance (lack of learning or poor teaching)
B. willingness to express a bigoted view
is not a personal attack.
Brother, I cannot help you. I have read enough to know that you dont want help. your view of Holiness is what it is and to me it is worth little more than pity. You got here by your one means. you wont listen to me.
and I always thought I was too forward
Good post
__________________ You can't reach the world with your talents. People are sick and tired of religious talents. People need a Holy Ghost annointed church with real fruits to reach out and touch their lives. ~ Pastor Burrell Crabtree
In fact I think that the insinuation of "hateful" Pentecostals is coming mostly from the fertile imaginations of bitter, backslidden ex Apostolics who are constantly trying to find a way to justify their actions. ~ strait shooter
if I said " you are an idiot" that would be an atack.
feeling sorry for your
A. ignorance (lack of learning or poor teaching)
B. willingness to express a bigoted view
is not a personal attack.
Brother, I cannot help you. I have read enough to know that you dont want help. your view of Holiness is what it is and to me it is worth little more than pity. You got here by your one means. you wont listen to me.
What is funny is that staysharp's views line up with probably 99% of Christianity and church history yet he is the one that is wrong, ignorant, has had poor teaching, and is a bigot.
It is the view of the UPC that we are not saved by faith but by obedience and that they are the ones with the true understanding of the gospel.
Just go on youtube and type in United Pentecostal and you will find 27 videos of a debate between the UPC and Baptist. Our side didn't even know the Greek in Acts 2:28 or John 3:5 or the grammar.
I am sorry to say but WE are the ignorant ones and if we don't change we will have to give account for our errors.
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