Is Sanctification My Work Or God's Work?

[Socialite]

I know I was heavy on scriptures, but Romans says it so much more profoundly than I can attempt.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

My personal view is more you are viewed as justified as you respond to his Word which sets you apart. Which is a progressive view and they are coincident with each other. in reality they cannot be without the other as they are results of each other and whymany people consider it the same. Which I guess I could to depending on what is meant.

I almost agree with your view. You can't have one without the other. Justification and sanctification are separated in my use in a way we can discuss, but not in a trans-formative way.

I believe we are justified, made right before God, when we are "in Christ" children of Abraham via the same covenant of faith (Rom 4). We are set free from sin, the Spirit working in us, making us "slaves to righteousness." Short of triumphalism, but certainly far from licentiousness, this does not seal up our perfection, or mean that when we sin God no longer justifies us, rather we continue to walk faithfully with Him. Nothing can separate us (Rom 8). So we walk, faithful to the gift He's already done for us, hiding in Him, growing, maturing, becoming. Some of us die young, some die old -- there is no finish line of accomplishment, or shared mark we must all "achieve." Through Jesus, we just endure until the end. We are his Children.

[LUKE2447]

His death accomplished many things. I would not agree with his point on that.

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

it is called synergism

Originally Posted by Socialite

Explain.

And where do you see this in the Story of God (the Text)?

1 Thess 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Cor 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

God sanctifies us, but we also have to make a conscious effort to depart from sin.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

1 Thess 5:23
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Cor 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

God sanctifies us, but we also have to make a conscious effort to depart from sin.

But if we are his Children, adopted as his own, being sanctified.... then we are slaves to righteousness. This is God's gift now working in us, a new creation.

To me, the Scriptures above are clearly distinct from being saved, but are more defined as "how then should we live in light of God's mercy?" (Rom 12:1)

[TGBTG]

Originally Posted by Socialite

But if we are his Children, adopted as his own, being sanctified.... then we are slaves to righteousness. This is God's gift now working in us, a new creation.

To me, the Scriptures above are clearly distinct from being saved, but are more defined as "how then should we live in light of God's mercy?" (Rom 12:1)

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Socialite

But if we are his Children, adopted as his own, being sanctified.... then we are slaves to righteousness. This is God's gift now working in us, a new creation.

To me, the Scriptures above are clearly distinct from being saved, but are more defined as "how then should we live in light of God's mercy?" (Rom 12:1)

We are set apart because we being set apart practically nor just because we have some one time forensic justification. With one motion comes the other of being in "right standing" before God. You are his friend IF you do his commands. Jesus cleary points this out in Revelations as well.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

We are set apart because we being set apart practically nor just because we have some one time forensic justification. With one motion comes the other of being in "right standing" before God. You are his friend IF you do his commands. Jesus cleary points this out in Revelations as well.

And those that are his will obey. Not on our own work, but with the Spirit working in/through us. It's God's work in us, even in sanctification.

Listen, Luke, I'm not a preacher of licentiousness.

But the way you define obey and I define it, in the contexts given, may differ. I am imperfect. I am already redeemed and justified, but not yet fully redeemed and glorified. (Already-not yet Pauline theology)

I was justified/made right before God by faith -- the same way as Abraham. I am sanctified, and remain in covenant with God by faith. The Spirit is at work in calling, justifying, sanctifying, resurrection and our final moment of glorification. Same Spirit.

He is faithful.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Socialite

And those that are his will obey. Not on our own work, but with the Spirit working in/through us. It's God's work in us, even in sanctification.

Listen, Luke, I'm not a preacher of licentiousness.

But the way you define obey and I define it, in the contexts given, may differ. I am imperfect. I am already redeemed and justified, but not yet fully redeemed and glorified. (Already-not yet Pauline theology)

I was justified/made right before God by faith -- the same way as Abraham. I am sanctified, and remain in covenant with God by faith. The Spirit is at work in calling, justifying, sanctifying, resurrection and our final moment of glorification. Same Spirit.

He is faithful.

Abraham was not about a one time moment of justification. God considered his life justified by being faithful and Paul says so as well as James.

Also the only way Abraham received the covenant promises was by faithfulness.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Abraham was not about a one time moment of justification. God considered his life justified by being faithful and Paul says so as well as James.

Romans 4

If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[a]

4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness. 6 David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the one to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the one
whose sin the Lord will never count against them.”[b]

We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them.

Gen 15:6, 22
Abram believed the LORD, and he credited it to him as righteousness.