Prophesying Versus Speaking In Tongues

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by faithit166

1 corinthians 14;4 he that speaketh in an inknown tongue edifieth himself,but he that prophesieth edifieth the church (2 different things)1 corinthians 14;22 wherefore tongues are for a sign not to them that believe but to them that believe not, but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not but for them which believe.39 wherefore brethren covet to prophesy and forbid not to speak in tongues

That's what the word says.

[walkbyfaith]

isaiah 28vs11 for with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.And yet for all of this they would not hear.

And people still will not believe in tongues and therefore will not hear them.

Because the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God.

....and they wrest the scripture to their own destruction.

[faithit166]

amen walkbyfaith absolutely

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by walkbyfaith

isaiah 28vs11 for with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.And yet for all of this they would not hear.

And people still will not believe in tongues and therefore will not hear them.

Because the natural man receiveth not the things of the spirit of God.

....and they wrest the scripture to their own destruction.

That is one of the most misused passages in support of supernatural tongues ever used.

[walkbyfaith]

no offense faith 166, but i do not believe in the initial evidence doctrine

I purposely threw together a few scriptures ,used them opposite of there context,to show that it seems as long as we always quote what we always have heard(being very careful not to stray from mens tradition)then we will continue to have an amen corner.

I think that the passage in Isaiah was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost, as the first ever gift of tongues was being demonstrated , just as God had promised in Isaiah.

None of my words are meant to offend.Peace in the name of our Lord Jesus,the Prince of Peace.

[walkbyfaith]

I have not visited this forum for a while and could not remember my user name or password.
But in my old posts i can remeber telling jfrog that i could prove that what happened on the day of Pentecost was in fact the gift of tongues. I'll try to find it.

[james34]

aha here is my old user name ,but i thought i had more posts.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I only had the term Uniquely up for a moment and I edited it out. Please see my post as it appears now and I would like to hear your thoughts on what is there.

But... I will certainly not fail to respond to your thoughts though.



Why isn't praising God prophesying?

The two are distinguished and not one and the same.

1 Corinthians 14:5 KJV I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

It is giving God worship and praise. That is not prophesying. Brother, they it distinctly said they SPOKE IN TONGUES. lol

Here is Zacharias' prophesy that he gave when he was filled with the Holy Ghost and prophesied.

That isn't what we would call a prophesy. But God called it one. God said it was a prophesy and yet it declares the wonderful works of God.

Prophesying is not always PREDICTIVE, we know. Those who would not think Zechariah was prophesying do not realize prophecy does not cover ONLY PREDICTIONS. Prophesying is ministering to people to provide them with understanding from God. Preaching is actually prophesying. When a word predicts the future that is distinguished as PREDICTIVE prophecy. But today, people assume prophecy is always predicting the future, when that is not so.

However, when one speaks in tongues, that is not prophesying, because tongues is distinguished from prophesying in the epistles. It's a no-brainer, really.

On the day of pentecostal they declared the wonderful works of God in the language of all that were there.

It does not say they "prophesied", but that they spoke in tongues. If you were correct, then what confusion would abound when someone would read 1 Cor 14 and see tongues distinguished from prophecy!

And when they did declare the wonderful works of God Peter said... this is that spoken of by the prophet Joel...

And Joel said that on that day... your sons and your daughters shall prophesy... and they did.... in the tongue of jews from all over the word even though there were all from Galilee.

Preaching was prophesying.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

mf in acts 2 the first time they spoke in tongues they were telling of the good works..they were not praising....

Telling of good works IS PRAISE!

Acts 2:11 KJV Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

Psalms 107:8 KJV Oh that men would praise the LORD for his goodness, and for his wonderful works to the children of men!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The two are distinguished and not one and the same.

1 Corinthians 14:5 KJV I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

It is giving God worship and praise. That is not prophesying. Brother, they it distinctly said they SPOKE IN TONGUES. lol



Prophesying is not always PREDICTIVE, we know. Those who would not think Zechariah was prophesying do not realize prophecy does not cover ONLY PREDICTIONS. Prophesying is ministering to people to provide them with understanding from God. Preaching is actually prophesying. When a word predicts the future that is distinguished as PREDICTIVE prophecy. But today, people assume prophecy is always predicting the future, when that is not so.

However, when one speaks in tongues, that is not prophesying, because tongues is distinguished from prophesying in the epistles. It's a no-brainer, really.



It does not say they "prophesied", but that they spoke in tongues. If you were correct, then what confusion would abound when someone would read 1 Cor 14 and see tongues distinguished from prophecy!



Preaching was prophesying.

Most things become no brainers when we have a working assumption that helps guide our Know brain.

They each heard them tell the wonderful works of God in their own tongue.

It can't be an assumption that we make to say that they spoke in tongues... there...see... your wrong... it wasn't prophecy.

They were telling of the wonderful works of God in people's own tongue.

I'm not saying that what I am stating is THE case but what I am presenting is that that Peter stood there and said... THIS IS THAT.... quoting a verse that says when God does pour out His spirit on all flesh they will prophesy...

And we know that while they were speaking in tongues... they were speaking in the languages understood by those around... and they heard them speak the wonderful works of God.

So... while I am not saying that this IS the case. Isn't it at least worthy of consideration that what was going on that day is that they were prophesying (per what Joel had said would happen) in the language of those who were there so they could hear and know that this was the fulfillment of Joel 2?

For Peter to say THIS IS THAT and then for there to be none of the things listed in the verse he quoted going on in front of their eyes doesn't make sense.

It would be like me quoting a verse that says people would lay down and then point at a bunch of people jumping in circles and say SEE... THIS IS THAT.