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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Adultry is more than a weakness. You can have weaknesses, we all do. When you cross the line to act upon that weakness, and sin, it is time to repent. Flee the situation and get help, not hide and continue!
If you continue in that sin, God help you, especially when you are in leadership. Sorry, no excuse for that failure to continue. Both parties had to deliberately continue in a relationship, and both had to hide that relationship, being deceitful to family and others. It is wrong.
I feel for that family, the pain they are going through as they have been betrayed by the one who was supposed to be leading not only their family, but the congregation.
So true.
To commit sin year after year, and preach in a pulpit year after year, is, to me, hypocrisy!
I know God is merciful...and he wants us to show mercy as well. But it's the hardest thing in the world for me to be compassionate to a minister, who is suppose to be teaching others how to be christians, who is involved in something like this.
I pray he repents...and I pray that I can feel compassion instead of disgust!
Being restored into right standing with God and being reconciled to friends, family and community is NOT the same thing as being restored to a position of leadership. Relationships and positions are different animals.
There are qualifications for leadership, and they are as practical as they are mandatory. The reason why leaders have so many qualifications is because people have to be able to respect a man in order to follow him. Plain and simple. God put the qualifications for a bishop in place for good reason and it's silly to throw them out.
Sometimes congregations can forgive and forget and reinstate the pastor, but they aren't doing anything wrong if they decide the best option is to put in a new pastor.
I wonder if LooneyLucy and others would be so quick to want a pastor restored to his position if it was discovered he'd been beating his wife or children for years? One of the qualifications of a bishop is that he rule his house well and another is that he not be a "striker." Should we kick that one to the curb, too, in favor of having grace? Let men beat their wives and children and still be in leadership?
While we're on the topic, marital neglect can lead to sexual indiscretions and immorality, but it is still not an excuse for it. It may be a reason, but having a reason does not mean you have an excuse. Not with God, anyway.
"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: But God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
God always provides a way of escape. That's why when we sin, we can only blame ourselves. Not our wives; not our husbands; not our friends; not our family; just ourselves.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Being restored into right standing with God and being reconciled to friends, family and community is NOT the same thing as being restored to a position of leadership. Relationships and positions are different animals.
There are qualifications for leadership, and they are as practical as they are mandatory. The reason why leaders have so many qualifications is because people have to be able to respect a man in order to follow him. Plain and simple. God put the qualifications for a bishop in place for good reason and it's silly to throw them out.
Sometimes congregations can forgive and forget and reinstate the pastor, but they aren't doing anything wrong if they decide the best option is to put in a new pastor.
I wonder if LooneyLucy and others would be so quick to want a pastor restored to his position if it was discovered he'd been beating his wife or children for years? One of the qualifications of a bishop is that he rule his house well and another is that he not be a "striker." Should we kick that one to the curb, too, in favor of having grace? Let men beat their wives and children and still be in leadership?
While we're on the topic, marital neglect can lead to sexual indiscretions and immorality, but it is still not an excuse for it. It may be a reason, but having a reason does not mean you have an excuse. Not with God, anyway.
"There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: But God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it."
God always provides a way of escape. That's why when we sin, we can only blame ourselves. Not our wives; not our husbands; not our friends; not our family; just ourselves.
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Master of Science in Applied Disgruntled Religious Theorist Wrangling
PhD in Petulant Tantrum Quelling
Dean of the School of Hard Knocks
I wonder if LooneyLucy and others would be so quick to want a pastor restored to his position if it was discovered he'd been beating his wife or children for years?
I never said ANYTHING about putting him back in as pastor, just don't like people slamming him all over this site.
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Originally Posted by MissBrattified
While we're on the topic, marital neglect can lead to sexual indiscretions and immorality, but it is still not an excuse for it. It may be a reason, but having a reason does not mean you have an excuse. Not with God, anyway.
AMEN to this! But until you have lived it yourself, you can't judge someone else's actions.
Last edited by MissBrattified; 10-05-2012 at 10:48 AM.
Lucy Loo, you need to learn how to use quotes in a post.
Make sure the beginning of a quote starts with "[ quote ]" (WITHOUT the spaces and quotation marks) and ends with "[/ quote ].'
The word "quote" inside the brackets starts a quote and "/quote" inside brackets ends a quote. That way when people requote you, they aren't getting other people's statements mixed up with yours.
This is particularly important if you split up quotes and reply to them like you did mine.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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