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03-15-2013, 05:28 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
i'm trying to convince myself of this. i have 2 books on women in the bible i haven't read yet. if it is not true then you have to explain paul's words. "i suffer not a woman to teach or have authority over a man, let them learn in silence and ask their husbands at home". what does that mean?
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DM you have the same issue most Christians have, a lack of knowledge of biblical hermeneutics.
When you study the word you have to consider many factors including
Grammer
Context
Author
Audience
When
Where
Idioms
When you do you find out why we are not required to greet each other with a kiss when Paul said to greet each other with a kiss
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03-15-2013, 05:30 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Paul was not a male chauvinist. He was a Hebrew, a Jew, who lived in the first century.
It was cultural that women wore veils long before Paul was born.
He was no more a male chauvinist for using "Father" instead of "Creator" than Jesus was or Peter
God Himself identified Himself as Father!
2Sa 7:14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men,
All Jews considered God their "Father". ALL Jews did. Male or Female. They did not have personal issues over it like you do or today's psychologically weak generation.
You aren't helping anyone by bowing to a small shrill minority that hate God
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don't confuse topics. paul said all women should wear veils. was that the "inspired" word of god or a fallible verse of scripture from paul speaking from a "cultural context"?
i am not saying that paul is a chauvinist for using father, that is a separate issue. i am saying that paul is a chauvinist for saying that women should keep silent in the church, should not have authority over men, and should learn in silence and ask their husbands when they get home. is that the inspired word from god or paul speaking humanly from a cultural context?
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03-15-2013, 05:33 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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DM you have the same issue most Christians have, a lack of knowledge of biblical hermeneutics.
When you study the word you have to consider many factors including
Grammer
Context
Author
Audience
When
Where
Idioms
When you do you find out why we are not required to greet each other with a kiss when Paul said to greet each other with a kiss
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so what is the correct interpretation then genius?
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03-15-2013, 05:38 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
don't confuse topics. paul said all women should wear veils. was that the "inspired" word of god or a fallible verse of scripture from paul speaking from a "cultural context"?
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I didn't confuse a topic. Don't brush off my answer
and pretend I did not answer you
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i am not saying that paul is a chauvinist for using father, that is a separate issue. i am saying that paul is a chauvinist for saying that women should keep silent in the church, should not have authority over men, and should learn in silence and ask their husbands when they get home. is that the inspired word from god or paul speaking humanly from a cultural context?
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No that is NOT a separate issue. THAT is the topic.
I addresses why Paul said that about women. You dijdn't like it for some reason
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-15-2013, 05:41 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
so what is the correct interpretation then genius?
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Don't get offended. Learn. Get some books on hermeneutics. Get some on figures of speech and idioms.
BTW I already gave you what you need to figure it out. Do you greet your brothers and sisters in Christ with a kiss
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-15-2013, 05:44 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Don't get offended. Learn. Get some books on hermeneutics. Get some on figures of speech and idioms.
BTW I already gave you what you need to figure it out. Do you greet your brothers and sisters in Christ with a kiss
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my wife....she is my sister in Christ 
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03-15-2013, 05:53 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by navygoat1998
my wife....she is my sister in Christ |
Give the other sisters and brothers a nice wet one on the cheek
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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03-15-2013, 05:54 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Give the other sisters and brothers a nice wet one on the cheek
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Nope we don't do that unless the sister is old enough to be my mother and or granny. 
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Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4)
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03-15-2013, 05:59 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by navygoat1998
Nope we don't do that unless the sister is old enough to be my mother and or granny. |
Don't even think about it!!!!!! 
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03-15-2013, 06:02 PM
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Re: Inclusive Bible Laguage?
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
Paul was not a male chauvinist. He was a Hebrew, a Jew, who lived in the first century.
It was cultural that women wore veils long before Paul was born.
He was no more a male chauvinist for using "Father" instead of "Creator" than Jesus was or Peter
God Himself identified Himself as Father!
2Sa 7:14 I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son. When he commits iniquity, I will discipline him with the rod of men, with the stripes of the sons of men,
All Jews considered God their "Father". ALL Jews did. Male or Female. They did not have personal issues over it like you do or today's psychologically weak generation.
You aren't helping anyone by bowing to a small shrill minority that hate God
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Praxeas
I didn't confuse a topic. Don't brush off my answer
and pretend I did not answer you
No that is NOT a separate issue. THAT is the topic.
I addresses why Paul said that about women. You dijdn't like it for some reason
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you can't have it both ways. you said the bible was the inspired word of God then you said Paul was a first century jew and that wearing veils was cultural before paul. so which is it inspired or cultural?
you did not address women keeping silent in the churches and not having authority over men. check your posts. i just did. is that inspired or chauvinistic cultural context? if not was it the correct hermeneutics?
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