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View Poll Results: Do you receive ALL the tithes or have control over ALL of them?
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Yes, I receive ALL the tithes in our church.
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I pay taxes on ALL the tithes I receive.
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I receive a salary from the church and pay taxes accordingly.
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The IRS can pound salt, for all I care! It's none of their business what I get paid!
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07-13-2007, 02:12 PM
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It's not easy being me.
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Join Date: Mar 2007
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Originally Posted by Rico
Wow. You pastor your church for free? I don't think you've ever mentioned that before, Brother.
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There's lots of things I've never said before. :sshhh 
That's actually the atmosphere under which I was raised. My pastor didn't take tithes or salary, and his father - the pastor before him, didn't either.
They never preached against doing it, they just didn't do it. I have heard some people speak negatively of it though (negatively of preachers taking the tithes and such that is).
I kind of come from the other side of the tracks from most people on such issues. lol
Those in my sphere of early influence also generally opposed fundraising - anti-peanut brittle. 
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07-13-2007, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ManOfWord
Elder, that has been the "sticky" point. If the pastor has sole and only control of the tithing account and uses that account to pay himself, his expenses, living and otherwise, it is considered "received" by him even if he pays church expenses as well.
If that is NOT the case, then the IRS has changed their rulings, which I don't believe is the case. If the pastor is paid, receives a check from the tithing account, and does NOT have SOLE control, the total amount in the account is NOT considered received.
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Anyone knowing the IRS WORDING is everything. Our wording is correct and in accordance to all IRS codes my accountant makes sure of it. But I am in control though I do not take them all if I took them all then I would pay on them I don't want to go to Hell or jail.
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07-13-2007, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
How about the passage I cited??? Then Heb. 7?
Dan do you believe in instrumental music in church services?????? And yes it is a trick question. |
I know the answer ... the difference being that instruments were not mandated as part of the Mosaic law ... in the strictest sense ... they pre-date the Law ... the same law ....often used by preachers to teach tithing but will not apply the principles for the its distribution and accountability...
Keep in mind there are a slew of Mosaic laws, we could list them for you, and I don't mean dietary ones, that are never re-addressed in the NT ... BUT you would NOT expect your saints to practice them ... today ... even because they are not "done away with" specifically in the NT.
New Testament giving is addressed throughout the epistles.
God also promised the restoration of the tabernacle of David which included worship w/ instruments ... there are also trumpets found in Revelation.
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07-13-2007, 02:16 PM
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What do some of you pastors have against church boards? It is my understanding that the pastor gets to recommend new church board members to the congregation for approval.
If you've been pastor at a church for a while, and are having problems with the board, it's your own fault for recommending bad people.
I would think that most board members would want their pastor to be well compensated according to the church budget.
Finally, a church board is formed for sound business decisions. A board should consist of members who know how to operate a business. They should not be making spiritual decisions.
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07-13-2007, 02:17 PM
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heb 7 doesn't prove tithes, that's not even the purpose of the chapter.
JESUS WAS FROM THE TRIBE JUDAH!!!! ONLY LEVITES COULD LAWFULY TAKE TITHES!!
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07-13-2007, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
Anyone knowing the IRS WORDING is everything. Our wording is correct and in accordance to all IRS codes my accountant makes sure of it. But I am in control though I do not take them all if I took them all then I would pay on them I don't want to go to Hell or jail. |
Bro, you are a good case in point. You have taken this seriously, as have I, and gotten help to get things set up in order and legally. Wording is everything and I well understand that. More would do well to take your example to heart. Like you, I don't want to go to either place as well. My house is in order. Our accountant is an enrolled agent with the IRS, so we're in good shape as well.
Churches need to be in order. I predict the IRS will come after church in near future for more revenue.
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07-13-2007, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pianoman
What do some of you pastors have against church boards? It is my understanding that the pastor gets to recommend new church board members to the congregation for approval.
If you've been pastor at a church for a while, and are having problems with the board, it's your own fault for recommending bad people.
I would think that most board members would want their pastor to be well compensated according to the church budget.
Finally, a church board is formed for sound business decisions. A board should consist of members who know how to operate a business. They should not be making spiritual decisions.
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Biblical eldership would even be better.
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Today pull up the little weeds,
The sinful thoughts subdue,
Or they will take the reins themselves
And someday master you. --Anon.
The most deadly sins do not leap upon us, they creep up on us.
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07-13-2007, 02:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pianoman
What do some of you pastors have against church boards? It is my understanding that the pastor gets to recommend new church board members to the congregation for approval.
If you've been pastor at a church for a while, and are having problems with the board, it's your own fault for recommending bad people.
I would think that most board members would want their pastor to be well compensated according to the church budget.
Finally, a church board is formed for sound business decisions. A board should consist of members who know how to operate a business. They should not be making spiritual decisions.
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I have told out church board that I want them to protect me and make sure that I do things according to our by laws. I trust them and they trust me. I receive a salary and have for a LONG time. No one has ever tried to control me in any way whatsoever. It all comes down to trust the freedom of information and just how much one serves the people.
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07-13-2007, 02:20 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Originally Posted by chseeads
There's lots of things I've never said before. :sshhh
That's actually the atmosphere under which I was raised. My pastor didn't take tithes or salary, and his father - the pastor before him, didn't either.
They never preached against doing it, they just didn't do it. I have heard some people speak negatively of it though (negatively of preachers taking the tithes and such that is).
I kind of come from the other side of the tracks from most people on such issues. lol
Those in my sphere of early influence also generally opposed fundraising - anti-peanut brittle. |
That is a very honorable thing you are doing, Brother. My hat is off to you. You are the first apostolic pastor I have heard who pastors without taking a salary.
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07-13-2007, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker
Biblical eldership would even be better.
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Our church also has a board of Elders that help make spiritual decisions.
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