The Future of the Oneness Pentecostal Movement - Page 4

Elihu · #31 07-14-2007, 10:10 PM

I think Brett Prince is attempting to paint a horrible picture of both Ronzo and myself. I only asked for brutal honesty. There was nothing untoward in the request.

SDG · #32 07-14-2007, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett Prince

Sorry, Ron--I meant that my remarks might seem flippant and unkind...as they would come across as highly sarcastic--since we obviously are not on the same page on a number of things.

I just don't think Shamgar is looking for the kind of ideas that you would present is all.

No offense intended. I'll be glad to delete my post if you should so desire.

That's how I read it ... I think you and Ron have a lot more in common than you think

Elihu · #33 07-14-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

This does bring up a touchy range of issues that are often difficult to objectify and discuss impassionedly. I appreciate "Dan just being Dan", but in the FWIW department- the dynamic of the father-son and/or father-son-in-law relationship can also be very bruising and abusive.

If I could bill some of my "family" for services I have given to them over the years I would have a real wad of dough right now. If I could just get the last 3 paychecks from ... that he has owed me for over 10 years I would be driving a new car right now.

The UPC in general has a dynamic that inhibits the development of young ministers. I could give you quite a list of the wounded, disfellowshipped and even the dead.

There's a new church starting services tomorrow in my city- the younger minister is branching off because he has been forbidden to preach in the church he helped to found many years ago - over a "control" issue involving the current pastor's wife and her self esteem problem.

Most of the churches in our area have some sort of bitterness involved in their founding. Fortunately my current pastor/superintendent has the vision to allow the young men to start something of their own. He bucks the evil trend that I have tried to describe.

"Where have all the young men gone...?" They got real educations and wised up.

Did the young man leave the UPC?

SDG · #34 07-14-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by shamgar1

I think Brett Prince is attempting to paint a horrible picture of both Ronzo and myself. I only asked for brutal honesty. There was nothing untoward in the request.

Let's stick to the thread, fellas .... this topic is important

Scott Hutchinson · #35 07-14-2007, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

I don't think so really. Are the budget fees that high?

I would think that a budget fee wouldn't be much of a deterrent if men could see real benefit and value and reward in belonging to an organization they felt was viable, of benefit to them and going somewhere.

Well what happens if someone is struggling and can't pay the budget fees is ,does an org. pay them while someone is trying to get back on their feet ?

mizpeh · #36 07-14-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

Lack of real burden, compassion and love for lost humanity? Could that figure into it at all?

And maybe a lack of faith in God. If God has called someone to preach, He will also enable them to do his will. Trusting God isn't easy during the trials.

My pastor recently spoke to the DS of the Western District and found out this man has many daughter churches spawned off the church God used him to establish. He acts as a mentor. He feels we should follow the disciples example and send out two ministers to start new works according to the calling of God. Acts 13:2-4 and Luke 10:1

RandyWayne · #37 07-14-2007, 10:12 PM

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Not just the cream rises to the top but the cream that God ordains to rise to the top does. Who determines what the "top" is? Who determines what defines "cream"?

I believe firmly that God (being God and all ) has a lot to do with who does and doesn't "rise".

I think it is a very good analogy because it shows the real motivations for someone wanting to become a pastor. Is it to serve God or is it to enjoy the fringe benefits that he may have seen other ministers of repute enjoy?

Felicity · #38 07-14-2007, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Well what happens if someone is struggling and can't pay the budget fees is ,does an org. pay them while someone is trying to get back on their feet ?

Where there's a will there's a way bro. And God has been known to supply a need or two.

RandyWayne · #39 07-14-2007, 10:13 PM

Wow. In 45 seconds, 4 posts appeared between what I read and was responding too! LOL

RevDWW · #40 07-14-2007, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

We had NO pedigree.

None whatsover and that kind of thinking never ever ever occurred to us or was part of our mentality at all.

Speaking personally of course.

I think God makes room for the gifts and calling He puts on those He chooses. You don't have to strive, push or shove to get to where God is going to take you anyhow.

I have no pedigree, but my Dad is in charge of everything!!!!!!

Heavenly Father that is.......

I have always been in support roles and never paid for them. I have always had a full time job outside of my ministry. Of course I have been paid when I've preached out. There have been times that I thought it would have made it easier for me if I had a Dad in the ministry, but easier is not always better.......God has been very good to me!!!!!!