Christ As High Priest Interceding Now

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Well, maybe someone will read this, lol.

I was chatting in anothr thread with folks about Hebrews 10. Hebrews 10 gets into the entrance into the holiest issue as well. That chapter speaks of how sio many people are guilt-ridden in their consciences over past sins. They live like they were underneath the old covenant where sacrifices could not remit sins. the people then were faced with sins every year, so they naturally were quite sin-conscious. I know people like this and have tried ministering to them. Some cannot get out of that trap. They cannot realize that Christ's single sacrifice atoned for their sins once and for all. Their sins are remitted! And where there is remission of sins, there is no more need for sacrifices.

But people with guilt-ridden consciences cannot boldly approach the throne in the most holy place. They are very timid and feel quite too inferior. However, understanding the issue of Christ's once-and-for-all sacrifice remedies such fearfulness, and provides FULL ASSURANCE OF FAITH to allow one to BOLDLY got to the throne.

Heb 10:14-22 KJV For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (15) Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, (16) This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (17) And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. (19) Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) And having an high priest over the house of God; (22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

And all of this involves the present tense situation of having a high priest now.

As I see it, the present tense of a high priest now, is the work of the cross and the shed blood in the past tense. The blood has a voice. Remember the blood of Able? The present tense of interceeding is the past tense of the given blood of Jesus.

...as I see it.

I don't see a man in heaven standing between sinners and a holy God advocating on behalf of sinners as an intermediary.

If that were the case, I could then easily see how that the advocate (the one in between) would plead with the one on the throne for grace and to send the other one as a comforter to the poor supplicant.

God in three persons blessed trinnnnnnity!

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

As I see it, the present tense of a high priest now, is the work of the cross and the shed blood in the past tense. The blood has a voice. Remember the blood of Able? The present tense of interceeding is the past tense of the given blood of Jesus.

...as I see it.

I don't see a man in heaven standing between sinners and a holy God advocating on behalf of sinners as an intermediary.

If that were the case, I could then easily see how that the advocate (the one in between) would plead with the one on the throne for grace and to send the other one as a comforter to the poor supplicant.

God in three persons blessed trinnnnnnity!

Bro. Strange, as I pointed out in another post... he went behind the veil and deposited the blood on the mercy seat as High Priest ONCE FOR ALL... now ALL have free access to the properly anointed (by blood) mercy seat and therefore, with a rent veil, no further intercession is necessary! Come unto me ALL ye that Labor and are Heavy Laden and I will give you rest... That rest is now AVAILable to all who will AVAIL themselves of it! He is the REST in the indwelling of his Spirit in our lives! This is the Rest wherewith the weary are caused to rest... !

Originally Posted by philjones

Bro. Strange, as I pointed out in another post... he went behind the veil and deposited the blood on the mercy seat as High Priest ONCE FOR ALL... now ALL have free access to the properly anointed (by blood) mercy seat and therefore, with a rent veil, no further intercession is necessary! Come unto me ALL ye that Labor and are Heavy Laden and I will give you rest... That rest is now AVAILable to all who will AVAIL themselves of it! He is the REST in the indwelling of his Spirit in our lives! This is the Rest wherewith the weary are caused to rest... !

I must have missed your post.

Anyway, I always appreciate your posts. They are always good. I agree with them 99.999999999999999999999999999999999 percent of the time...(no one is perfect.) LOL...

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Originally Posted by philjones

Bro. Strange, as I pointed out in another post... he went behind the veil and deposited the blood on the mercy seat as High Priest ONCE FOR ALL... now ALL have free access to the properly anointed (by blood) mercy seat and therefore, with a rent veil, no further intercession is necessary! Come unto me ALL ye that Labor and are Heavy Laden and I will give you rest... That rest is now AVAILable to all who will AVAIL themselves of it! He is the REST in the indwelling of his Spirit in our lives! This is the Rest wherewith the weary are caused to rest... !

Brother,

I mentioned thi sbefor eand would like your direct feedback. I am proposing that the intercession is not for sins when we are saved. I think that is PART of it, and that is all handled by the blood that was shed once qand for all. But whereas the blood was shed once and for all, the Lord ever lliveth in order to make intercession. What has unending life, being the reason the intercession is possible, got to do with something done once and for all? The intercession is accomplished for us to behave in a manner of victory, as the entire book of Hebrews points us to. It is FAR BEYOND atonement for sin.

The sacrifice for sin was done once and for all. But throughout this topic I have provided scripture to show that the intercession is done in order to see us come to victory.

The prophecy of Zechariah said HE IS PRIEST WHILE ON THE THRONE. He never sat on the throne untuil AFTER he made atonement with the blood in glory.

Please read my posts previous to this to see how I proposed that the intercession is not just for sinners and sin. It is to get us into active victory AFTER WE ARE SAVED.

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Originally Posted by Brother Strange

As I see it, the present tense of a high priest now, is the work of the cross and the shed blood in the past tense. The blood has a voice. Remember the blood of Able? The present tense of interceeding is the past tense of the given blood of Jesus.

...as I see it.

I agree the blood has a voice. Good point.

I don't see a man in heaven standing between sinners and a holy God advocating on behalf of sinners as an intermediary.

I don't either, and this is my entire point. The intercession is not done dfor sinners, BUT SAINTS. It is done for saints that they might enter the most holy place. Hebrews treats the most holy place as a state we can enter in which we have victory over everything in our behaviour. It is not for sinners and their sins, but for saints and their weakness and doubt, that they might come BOLDLY into the holiest with full assurance of faith.

Again, my entire topic posts show this to be the theme of Hebrews.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

As I see it, the present tense of a high priest now, is the work of the cross and the shed blood in the past tense. The blood has a voice. Remember the blood of Able? The present tense of interceeding is the past tense of the given blood of Jesus.

...as I see it.

I don't see a man in heaven standing between sinners and a holy God advocating on behalf of sinners as an intermediary.

If that were the case, I could then easily see how that the advocate (the one in between) would plead with the one on the throne for grace and to send the other one as a comforter to the poor supplicant.

God in three persons blessed trinnnnnnity!

The blood is of what was sacrificed. That does not mean he does not still stand as High Priest. In fact since the sacrifice is still sufficient and active..one sacrifice for all it makes sense there would still be a priest. And in fact that is what Hebrews says several times. He is the high Priest forever after the order of melchizedek

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Originally Posted by Praxeas

The blood is of what was sacrificed. That does not mean he does not still stand as High Priest. In fact since the sacrifice is still sufficient and active..one sacrifice for all it makes sense there would still be a priest. And in fact that is what Hebrews says several times. He is the high Priest forever after the order of melchizedek

Exactly. Good way of putting it. The sacrirfice was for once and for all. BUT NOT THE PRIESTHOOD MINISTRY. The high priest SITS THERE FOR US NOW so we CAN ENTER THE HOLIEST. His intercession is involving OUR ACTUAL ENTERING into the holiest. I really think those who oppose the idea of present intercession are completely missing this part of Hebrews' teachings.

Heb 10:19-22 KJV Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, (20) By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) And having an high priest over the house of God; (22) Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

He is a high priest OVER THE HOUSE OF GOD.

It is not a high priest we LOOK TO IN THE PAST WHEN ATONEMENT WAS MADE. We have one RIGHT NOW who is PRESENTLY ACTIVE IN MINISTRY OVER THE HOUSE OF GOD. We have access to the mercyseat BECAUSE OF ACTIVE DUTY OF THE HIGH PRIEST.

This brings in anothre thought of the priesthood no one has mentioned yet.

The PEOPLE were considered to have entered the mopst holy place WHEN THE HIGH PRIEST DID, during times of old. This is because the high priest was there for the people BY PROXY for them. They laid their hands on the priests, to show the priests' actions were as though the people did them. And the priests laid their hands on the high priest, to show that his actions ultimately represented all the priests and the people who laid their hands on the priests. So he went into the holiest AS THEM.

Well, CHRIST IS OUR HIGH PRIEST. He is in the Holiest AS US. But Hebrews is saying we do nto appreciate that as yet. If we did, we would have practical victory in everything.

Since entrance into the HOLIEST is something Hebrews 10 teaches WE CAN EXPERIENCE NOW, WELL AFTER WE WERE ATONED FOR, and it mentions this is possible since we HAVE a high priest who is presently over the house of God, then his MINISTRY is OCCURRING NOW before God, AS US in there.

The idea of the actual time of offering the blood being the only issue involved in the priesthood, as Bro Strange and Jones are saying, I believe, dismisses the entire concept of THE MAN ACTUALLY STANDING AS US IN OUR PLACES right now FOR US TO ENTER. Yes, He offered blood. But He went in BECAUSE OF THE BLOOD. AND HE STILL IS IN THERE DUE TO THAT SAME BLOOD. And Hebrews 10 applies this to us and says that if we can only appreciate the PROXY position Christ holds as us, WE CAN ENTER AS WELL by way of practically having victory, since the blood paid for that position for us.

So the aspect of HIM BEING PROXY in position AS US has to be involved in this issue. And I propose Bro Strange and Bro Jones have neglected this aspect, which has caused them to not see any present intercession occurring.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Exactly. Good way of putting it. The sacrirfice was for once and for all. BUT NOT THE PRIESTHOOD MINISTRY. The high priest SITS THERE FOR US NOW so we CAN ENTER THE HOLIEST. His intercession is involving OUR ACTUAL ENTERING into the holiest. I really think those who oppose the idea of present intercession are completely missing this part of Hebrews' teachings.

Is he acting as intercessor or mediator when we allowed access to the Father? Or both?

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Is he acting as intercessor or mediator when we allowed access to the Father? Or both?

Good question. It was a topic before I think of who we pray to? Jesus or the Father...as though they were two different beings. But the bible does say we access the Father by Jesus right?

Jesus said "Whatever you ask in my name that will I do that the Father might be glorified in the Son" does that still happen? We are told in the epistles that the church called on the name of Jesus...Stephen called on that name in prayer..