There Has Been A Change

[tamor]

Originally Posted by Sacerdotal

I haven't read the entire thread but a few things seem to be overlooked.

I didn't see Bro. Strange call anybody's name. Just expressed a voice of concern.

I've seen even preachers do things that troubled me and recognized leanings towards the wrong direction. I thought as a member of the forum he has a right to that opinion.

Replies are to be expected but many of the replies look like attacks.

The weird part is that I didn't see Bro. Strange remotely say the person's name. I haven't read the whole thread though.

I don't think he did.

[jwharv]

I believe it was Dan who actually gave the initials and "named" the person.............

[Dan]

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve

I doubt Dan's intent was to impress anyone. His friend was being openly attacked in a public forum by a man who claims to be a spiritual elder and over all others in the area of discernment.

This man railed against the elders he so carefully looked into the faces of - and ridiculed them for not having the guts to confront the so-called false prophet and his Wisdom Center teachings.

Yet at the same time, he states that he himself was near this alleged false prophet . . . but he didn't say whether or not he himself had the guts to, if nothing else, at lease express the same sentiments to this man personally as he did behind his back in a public forum. I could be wrong. I hope I am wrong. But unfortunately I've had too many experiences with the likes of him to know that he won't do it.

I'd do the same thing if my friend was attacked in a public open forum. There's nothing wrong with an open rebuke against someone who's making false charges against a friend, or any other person for that matter.

Thank you sir. You are exactly right. I could not have said it better myself.

[jwharv]

Originally Posted by Dan

MB

Right here..................

Then someone else posted the website addy of this person and we came to know exactly who it was....................

[Sacerdotal]

Originally Posted by jwharv

I believe it was Dan who actually gave the initials and "named" the person.............

So Dan could have received it as just a concerned Elder for the direction that some of Pentecost is moving but decided to provide initials to name the person.

That makes this thread even more odd to me.

Maybe he should attack himself and leave the Elder to his right to be concerned.

[NLYP]

I think some folks need to back of Bro. Dan....He is one of the most respected Pastors in our Dist.
Just a thought.

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Just because you have known a man for a long time does not mean that the man is right. Years in ministry do not justify walking in a wrong spirit.

Are you telling me that just because a man is ederly h is always right? It seems you thing that Bro. strange cannot be wrong.

[chaotic_resolve]

Originally Posted by Trouvere

Yes it can be read but you do have to join. What I am getting at is that Brother Strange is among friends here. He can voice his opinion without being condemned can he not? Or is it that talebearers run and flame up trouble because they don't like what someone is going through or feeling over something? I am sure MB can take it. It just may make him think a bit.
Pro 13:18 Poverty and shame [shall be to] him that refuseth instruction: but he that regardeth reproof shall be honoured. Pro 27:5 Open rebuke [is] better than secret love. Ecc 7:5 [It is] better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.

Originally Posted by Trouvere

BTW this forum is not public. We are members. Sorry but I disagree. The elder has a right to his opinion and is very grieved.

Not public?!? It’s very much public. This isn’t CAF or Wordshare where you MUST register and become a member before being able to read posts. It’s very open where anyone, including friends and family of the man, could find and read the attacks against him.

Yes, people have a right to their opinion. It’s the good ‘ole USA. But just because someone has the right to express an opinion, doesn’t necessarily mean they are right in doing so.

I’m convinced what happened was NOT in line with Biblical principles . . . including scriptures you posted. He should have gone to the man privately instead of hiding behind a keyboard to attack him in a public internet forum.

The scriptures you give do not support what happened in this thread. Each scripture bears an assumption that there is a face to face meeting during the process of the open rebuke or reproof. That did not happen.

And from all indication still yet, BS hasn’t answered the question that’s been asked multiple times. He’s stated that he was near the man he attacked, yet he has given no indication that he spoke to him about his concerns.

Read an excerpt of an earlier post

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I would be more than happy to meet with him or anyone else here in my Motel room or over a table in a restaurant...or in the lobby here. I would not invite an audience to the conversation.
I'm available. I'm not bitter. I'm not angry. I'm not contentious. In fact, I did rub shoulders with him tonight but he did not know me.

Sir, that’s hypocritical. You say you’d gladly speak with him privately because you “would not invite an audience to the conversation.” Yet you have no problem getting on a forum and blasting away behind his back . . . and in front of a large audience.

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Thank God for men like Rayford Strange, who are willing to speak the truth, take criticism, and keep on going. I pray the Lord is maturing me into that.

Here’s the problem, BP, he DIDN’T speak the truth to this man. HE RUBBED SHOULDERS WITH HIM. How much better of an opportunity could you ask for!?! Was he hoping MB would read his mind and come to his hotel room!?! I’m sorry if this offends, but I wouldn’t dare be alone with this man – especially in a motel room. I’d make sure to have at least a neutral party with me to make sure nothing was either taken out of context or lied about.

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Bro. Strange has the right to go to a meeting. He thought, as I would, that this would not happen, but it did. Whether he goes to MB or not, that is between him and the Lord. But, I have learned to trust his judgment and discernment.

I’m beginning to question his “judgment” and “discernment.” What he’s done is against the Bible and is just as bad and just as wrong as the spirit he claims to be familiar with.

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

My schedule is so tight lately that I have very little time to spend here. However, I wanted to say that there was no malice or ill intent aimed personally at anyone. Yes, I also appreciate Dan standing up for a friend as long as he would keep a good attitude about it. I would be disappointed to think that anyone including Dan or the person in question would be so thin skinned as to be unable to handle any criticism.

Let’s try it again . . . I’ll even send a PM with the question so you can’t lose it in the pages here.

Did you or did you not take the opportunity you had to speak personally, man to man, face to face, with the man you attacked on here?

Read your statement and attack against some other ministers:

Originally Posted by Brother Strange

I looked carefully into the faces of some of the old Elders there. Some of them also recognize what I am talking about. Sadly, they are intimidated and are afraid not to walk in lock step with the rest...so for unity's sake, they choose to remain silent instead. They fear their own reputation above that of the interest of the kingdom of Gold. They treasure the fellowship more than fellowship with God.

So again – since you criticized these men for not speaking with this man . . . did YOU? Did you take the opportunity you had to speak with him, or did you (like the men you criticized here) walk away, too afraid to charge him to his face. I mean your words are great . . . but I have a feeling it’s all they are. It’s all just mere words with no action to back them up.

But until you meet with this man and share your concerns, I'd be careful condemning others for not doing the same, else you fall into the same condemnation.

JMO (Which I have the right to say, but may not be right in saying . . . )

[Dan]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

This is almost funny.

Why even bother to go to a meeting, if you don't believe in what's going on?

Take it up with the guy face to face like the Book instructs.








Besides what would you expect.....MB probably "signed the damnable AS", also.

Yep. Just what I believe.

[Monkeyman]

Originally Posted by NLYP

I think some folks need to back of Bro. Dan....He is one of the most respected Pastors in our Dist.
Just a thought.

Naw, he can stand on his own! This won't deter him one bit...
What you are witnessing is forum mob decorum...A man spoke strongly...was called on it...and defended, nothing new.