Prophets & Seers:

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Esther

Personally, I have always considered them to be the same. The older term being used as Seer and the more modern being prophet.

Samuel was called a Seer but also he was called a prophet, I think they are one and the same.

JMO

I've always thought that ever Seer is also a Prophet. But every Prophet is not always a Seer. But I'm leaning towards seeing them as you do. The Seer and Prophet being the same thing; one term simply being the older term.

[Timmy]

Interesting. In my AG (Trinny) days, I only heard the term "seer" used with a negative connotation. They were considered occultists, like "medium" or "psychics". Never prophets of God. (If I recall correctly.)

[Aquila]

Excellent book:

I just purchased this book this weekend. So far, it's very interesting. I thought I'd tell folks about it here:

The Seer Expanded Edition: The Prophetic Power of Visions, Dreams, and Open Heavens [Paperback]
James W. Goll (Author)
http://www.amazon.com/Seer-Expanded-...words=the+seer

I believe we do, in this era, need more believers who are willing to embark on a more supernatural walk in the Spirit.

[Aquila]

Interesting article:

Christian Seers, Psychics & The Gift of Prophecy
http://mychristiancoffeeshop.wordpre...t-of-prophecy/

What are some of your thoughts on the "prophet/seer" anointing?

[Aquila]

Okay... so yesterday me and my girlfriend were talking about spiritual gifts. Discussing the Word of Knowledge, visions, symbols, and revelatory functions of Spirit. I told her that if one is sensitive to the Spirit the gifts can be used on demand. After the conversation she got up and came back with a doll. It was a small baby doll with little eyes that open when the doll is sitting up and they close when the doll is laying down. She looked at me with a bit of challenge in her eyes... "Read it..."

Well... I said a short prayer and held the doll for a few moments. I ran my fingers through it's hair and I began getting very subtle "snapshots" and "impressions" from it. A few didn't make sense, but I decided to simply let it flow. These are the details I picked up and related to her...

1.) She wasn't allowed to take the doll out of the house, though she'd sneak it out on occasion.

2.) A boy. Apparently the doll either belonged to a boy prior to her getting it or a boy had an affinity for it. I even felt like he wanted to steal it or had stolen it at one point.

3.) I saw her at a table with a pencil in the doll's rubber hand, pinching the hand closed around the pencil and drawing with it.

4.) I saw another doll sitting next to it. I asked, "Was there another doll?"

5.) I felt a sense of misfortune concerning the second doll. I asked if the second doll was destroyed, chewed up, or lost.

She stood there staring at me. Here's the what she related back to me....

1.) She wasn't allowed to take the doll out of the house on most occasions and was only allowed to pay with it while in the house or supervised.

2.) She used to play with a little boy that lived next door when she was about 6 years old. His name was Zan and his family was from Hawaii. Her parents would let them play together either at his house or in her parent's home. The boy liked to play with this doll. In fact, when visiting his house one day she left it and had to go back and get it. He seemed to want to keep it.

3.) She used to pinch the rubber hands around crayons and have her draw.

4.) The doll was part of a set. She had two.

5.) She played with this second doll more than the one I had in my hands and so the second doll was greatly worn and the head fell off. She always allowed her friend "Zan", the boy from point two play with the doll in my hands while she played with the doll that fell had fallen apart. Her mother still has the head and the makings of the doll in the attic.

Not bad. Maybe I should take this show on the road. lol

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Interesting article:

Christian Seers, Psychics & The Gift of Prophecy
http://mychristiancoffeeshop.wordpre...t-of-prophecy/

What are some of your thoughts on the "prophet/seer" anointing?

When I was a teenager, I 'saw' an event that was about to happen. That was awesome within itself, but the question that has bugged me since is concerning our future. I 'saw' the future event, does that mean that our life is preordained, our future is already determined?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by seekerman

When I was a teenager, I 'saw' an event that was about to happen. That was awesome within itself, but the question that has bugged me since is concerning our future. I 'saw' the future event, does that mean that our life is preordained, our future is already determined?

Great question. Some might argue that this would. However, in the realm of the Spirit time doesn't exist. Spirit transcends time and space. Therefore, regardless of the choices we will freely make... past, present, and future are all a present reality before the Spirit. Seeing the future is merely seeing the events that WILL transpire for any number of reasons including our choices.

Also... through prayer, repentance, and proper preparation... the future can be changed. That's what the visions are for.

If a prophet or seer issues a prophesy of doom to a family on account of God's judgment and they fall on their knees in terror and brokenness... and it doesn't come to pass... God accepted their repentance. Mission accomplished.

If a vision of warning comes forth about a car accident in which the entire family perishes... and they decide to cover themselves in prayer, entreat angelic protection, drive carefully, and buckle seat belts... and nothing happens... mission accomplished.

I believe every vision of the future is the outcome of the present moment. If one changes the conditions of this present moment... one can change the future.

When one receives a vision and it comes to pass regardless of prayer and petition... it was to prepare the individual for the reality of the event.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Okay... so yesterday me and my girlfriend were talking about spiritual gifts. Discussing the Word of Knowledge, visions, symbols, and revelatory functions of Spirit. I told her that if one is sensitive to the Spirit the gifts can be used on demand. After the conversation she got up and came back with a doll. It was a small baby doll with little eyes that open when the doll is sitting up and they close when the doll is laying down. She looked at me with a bit of challenge in her eyes... "Read it..."

Well... I said a short prayer and held the doll for a few moments. I ran my fingers through it's hair and I began getting very subtle "snapshots" and "impressions" from it. A few didn't make sense, but I decided to simply let it flow. These are the details I picked up and related to her...

1.) She wasn't allowed to take the doll out of the house, though she'd sneak it out on occasion.

2.) A boy. Apparently the doll either belonged to a boy prior to her getting it or a boy had an affinity for it. I even felt like he wanted to steal it or had stolen it at one point.

3.) I saw her at a table with a pencil in the doll's rubber hand, pinching the hand closed around the pencil and drawing with it.

4.) I saw another doll sitting next to it. I asked, "Was there another doll?"

5.) I felt a sense of misfortune concerning the second doll. I asked if the second doll was destroyed, chewed up, or lost.

She stood there staring at me. Here's the what she related back to me....

1.) She wasn't allowed to take the doll out of the house on most occasions and was only allowed to pay with it while in the house or supervised.

2.) She used to play with a little boy that lived next door when she was about 6 years old. His name was Zan and his family was from Hawaii. Her parents would let them play together either at his house or in her parent's home. The boy liked to play with this doll. In fact, when visiting his house one day she left it and had to go back and get it. He seemed to want to keep it.

3.) She used to pinch the rubber hands around crayons and have her draw.

4.) The doll was part of a set. She had two.

5.) She played with this second doll more than the one I had in my hands and so the second doll was greatly worn and the head fell off. She always allowed her friend "Zan", the boy from point two play with the doll in my hands while she played with the doll that fell had fallen apart. Her mother still has the head and the makings of the doll in the attic.

Not bad. Maybe I should take this show on the road. lol

Unbelievable. How far will this go? This is pure occultism.

[houston]

Yep.

[votivesoul]

I think a lot of people confuse OT prophets with NT prophets as though they are identical.

I don't believe that is the case.

The days of holy men of God receiving oracles that become the written Word of the Lord are gone. The canon is closed.

Notwithstanding, there are obviously prophets in the NT as part of the five-fold ministry.

Here is what I've been able to find through a careful reading:

There are five different types of NT prophet, each able to overlap.

1.) The prophets and teachers who were at Antioch (Acts 13:1)

These are the local people of God used by the Lord to share His Word with the assembly. Much of the modern day pastorate falls under this category.

2.) The Gifts of the Spirit prophet (1 Corinthians 12-14).

While all gifts might be available to such a person, these tend to be the main ones: word of knowledge, word of wisdom, interpretation of tongues, and the gift of prophecy.

3.) The Seer prophet (e.g. Agabus)

Pretty rare to almost non-existent, these prophets foretell the future, often have dreams and visions from the Lord, and can usually see the bigger picture of how the realm of the Spirit moves and works in the world.

4.) The Itinerant Prophet (e.g. Judas and Silas, from Acts 15:32)

These prophets travel from local assembly to local assembly, exhorting the brethren, confirming their faith, and comforting the Body. Some we often call evangelists are this type of prophet.

5.) The Reprover of Sin prophet (e.g. Simon Peter with Ananias and Sapphira and Simon Magus, from Acts 5 and 8).

Second only to the Seer in rarity, this kind of prophet is the most feared of all. God gives this prophet insight into the hearts and minds of His people. They can be a great joy for the righteous, but a terrible terror to those lukewarm saints who hang on and poison the flock through their carnality. They are usually the problem solver, called in to slay spirits of Jezebel, Cain, Balaam, and Kora, and/or other types of similar situations.

When they are done, many are pruned, but revival immediately springs up for those who endured the scourge and remained faithful.

I have no doubt that all of these are alive and well in the Church. They are for today, and along with Apostles, Evangelists, Pastors, and Teachers, are used by God to edify the church for the work of the ministry for the perfecting of the saints (no commas on purpose).