Paul's point is we shouldn't sin with our bodies. We house the Spirit of the Lord. We are his Meeting place. A living, breathing, moving tabernacle.
Whose denying this?
However the fact is our bodies are still the temple of the Holy Ghost. I don't think God wants us looking like some freaks or like a camilion (like that guy who had his who face tatooed). I don't think it brings glory to God when we have folks runing around looking like Todd Bentley.
Just because some folks preach against tatoos and such, but over eat doesn't mean their wrong preaching against those things. Their error is only that they aren't preaching the whole council of God, only things THEY are comfortable with.
Am I saying God doesn't save people with tatooos-absolutely not (duh, hopefully I have a better reputation than that around here), but I don't think he saves us for us to do that to ourselves POST-salvation.
I am willing to say all tatoos are sin, I don't know that I would go that far, but to me it certainly seems unwise. I don't think you'd go to hell for getting one even after your a Christian (I don't believe salvation is that fickle that you do one thing and pass from justification to condemnation). But I do think the argument that we are the temple of the Holy Ghost is VALID.
FINE, I get it, man made standards are not Bible based, their legalsitic, and all that good stuff, it turn salvation into works (on some level). AMEN, no argument here. But I think we fool ourselves to say God cares absolutely nothing about the outside.
In response to Jeffery's post (and NOW's amen) I say, no one is doubting that we shouldn't use the body for sin. I think 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21 are quite clear on the things that we shoudln't do.
That said, I still believe the Bible gives us principles. Does the bible say not to smoke dope? Its legal in part in california. I have a friend whose mother very much considers herself a Christian, who teaches SS, and is all kinds of involved in her church (not oneness) but smokes pot. "My friend says, whats the harm in it, its not like cocaine or LSD, it just chills you out, plus its legal. Wheres the Bible say you can't smoke pot, it a natural substance?"
I don't know, maybe some of you believe in dope smokin' Christians, I don't. But if we apply the same logic many are applying in this thread, there is no Biblical response against it.
I don't believe that "holiness" is all about dress (I don't believe its hardly any about dress) but the Bible still says to dress modestly. I don't think 1 Corinthians 11 says a woman can't cut or trim her hair birth to death, but it still says a woman should have long hair.
Personally I think there is too much whittling down the word of God. I don't want legalism or salvation by works, but neither do I want Christianity Lite. It seems to me that alot of people simply won't stand for anything.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
However the fact is our bodies are still the temple of the Holy Ghost. I don't think God wants us looking like some freaks or like a camilion (like that guy who had his who face tatooed). I don't think it brings glory to God when we have folks runing around looking like Todd Bentley.
Just because some folks preach against tatoos and such, but over eat doesn't mean their wrong preaching against those things. Their error is only that they aren't preaching the whole council of God, only things THEY are comfortable with.
Am I saying God doesn't save people with tatooos-absolutely not (duh, hopefully I have a better reputation than that around here), but I don't think he saves us for us to do that to ourselves POST-salvation.
I am willing to say all tatoos are sin, I don't know that I would go that far, but to me it certainly seems unwise. I don't think you'd go to hell for getting one even after your a Christian (I don't believe salvation is that fickle that you do one thing and pass from justification to condemnation). But I do think the argument that we are the temple of the Holy Ghost is VALID.
FINE, I get it, man made standards are not Bible based, their legalsitic, and all that good stuff, it turn salvation into works (on some level). AMEN, no argument here. But I think we fool ourselves to say God cares absolutely nothing about the outside.
In response to Jeffery's post (and NOW's amen) I say, no one is doubting that we shouldn't use the body for sin. I think 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21 are quite clear on the things that we shoudln't do.
That said, I still believe the Bible gives us principles. Does the bible say not to smoke dope? Its legal in part in california. I have a friend whose mother very much considers herself a Christian, who teaches SS, and is all kinds of involved in her church (not oneness) but smokes pot. "My friend says, whats the harm in it, its not like cocaine or LSD, it just chills you out, plus its legal. Wheres the Bible say you can't smoke pot, it a natural substance?"
I don't know, maybe some of you believe in dope smokin' Christians, I don't. But if we apply the same logic many are applying in this thread, there is no Biblical response against it.
I don't believe that "holiness" is all about dress (I don't believe its hardly any about dress) but the Bible still says to dress modestly. I don't think 1 Corinthians 11 says a woman can't cut or trim her hair birth to death, but it still says a woman should have long hair.
Personally I think there is too much whittling down the word of God. I don't want legalism or salvation by works, but neither do I want Christianity Lite. It seems to me that alot of people simply won't stand for anything.
Bottom line is, though, if you're going to proclaim it "Wrong" you need some scriptural backing. You said a lot but I didn't see any scriptural backing. You said you think it's "Unwise." Fine. You just might be right in the context of which you're speaking. But others may not feel that way and ultimately, this has to be a personal decision.
Either it's wrong or it's ok and if it's wrong, cite the scripture(s) with which you come to that conclusion.
However the fact is our bodies are still the temple of the Holy Ghost. I don't think God wants us looking like some freaks or like a camilion (like that guy who had his who face tatooed). I don't think it brings glory to God when we have folks runing around looking like Todd Bentley.
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I think God cares more about what we do than how we look.
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However the fact is our bodies are still the temple of the Holy Ghost. I don't think God wants us looking like some freaks or like a camilion (like that guy who had his who face tatooed). I don't think it brings glory to God when we have folks runing around looking like Todd Bentley.
Just because some folks preach against tatoos and such, but over eat doesn't mean their wrong preaching against those things. Their error is only that they aren't preaching the whole council of God, only things THEY are comfortable with.
Am I saying God doesn't save people with tatooos-absolutely not (duh, hopefully I have a better reputation than that around here), but I don't think he saves us for us to do that to ourselves POST-salvation.
I am not willing to say all tatoos are sin, I don't know that I would go that far, but to me it certainly seems unwise. I don't think you'd go to hell for getting one even after your a Christian (I don't believe salvation is that fickle that you do one thing and pass from justification to condemnation). But I do think the argument that we are the temple of the Holy Ghost is VALID.
FINE, I get it, man made standards are not Bible based, their legalsitic, and all that good stuff, it turn salvation into works (on some level). AMEN, no argument here. But I think we fool ourselves to say God cares absolutely nothing about the outside.
In response to Jeffery's post (and NOW's amen) I say, no one is doubting that we shouldn't use the body for sin. I think 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Galatians 5:19-21 are quite clear on the things that we shouldn't do.
That said, I still believe the Bible gives us principles. Does the bible say not to smoke dope? Its legal in part in california. I have a friend whose mother very much considers herself a Christian, who teaches SS, and is all kinds of involved in her church (not oneness) but smokes pot. "My friend says, whats the harm in it, its not like cocaine or LSD, it just chills you out, plus its legal. Wheres the Bible say you can't smoke pot, it a natural substance?"
I don't know, maybe some of you believe in dope smokin' Christians, I don't. But if we apply the same logic many are applying in this thread, there is no Biblical response against it.
I don't believe that "holiness" is all about dress (I don't believe its hardly any about dress) but the Bible still says to dress modestly. I don't think 1 Corinthians 11 says a woman can't cut or trim her hair birth to death, but it still says a woman should have long hair.
Personally I think there is too much whittling down the word of God. I don't want legalism or salvation by works, but neither do I want Christianity Lite. It seems to me that alot of people simply won't stand for anything.
*here is what I said earlier. I just realized I did not have the "not" in my sentance, thus it read "I am willing to say all tatoos are sin."
No wonder I was getting hammered, it now reads correctly.
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Originally Posted by notofworks
Come on, Jason...you're backed into a corner here. It's ok to say, "Uncle" and tell me you support my desire to get a tattoo!
I've already addressed this:
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
But ultimately, I would think this falls into the Romans 14 category [christian liberty and preferences]. Its something I wouldn't do, and would discourage others not to do, but I'm not going to judge someone over it or break fellowship over it. I've got to answer to God for my own decision, I'll let everyone who claims to be a Christian stand before God for themselves. Its not my job to judge another mans servant. HOWEVER, if I'm teaching/preaching on it, I am teaching against it based on biblical prinicples.
I don't belive that the simple act of having a tattoo is sin, and I'm not willing to take it to the extreme and say if you have any kind of tattoo its a sin, though I still don't understand why a Christian would want one, or how God would be glorified by it. I'll save the rest of my thoughts for tomorrow.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
so we can do anything we want with the physsical body, because its only "exterior?"
on my cell tonight sorry for bad typing; and not able to input as i want to right now
Sorry for the delay in answering I was out on a date with my Wife and Daughter.
No we can't do anything we want too. It is not ONLY the exterior it is the evidence of what is shining the inside. I would not get a devil tattoo. That is not what is shining in me. If I got a tattoo for my wife, my daughter, or my faith it would be because that is what is shining in me. The key is motives which only God will know anyway. I do believe that God cares more about the condition of the heart because if the outside is clean, but the inside in rotten the home is not righteous. That being said there is no evidence of Biblical support against tattoos. I know about Leviticus which doesn't apply as NOW has already showed. Some people just hold to the old school mindsets.
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Sorry for the delay in answering I was out on a date with my Wife and Daughter.
No we can't do anything we want too. It is not ONLY the exterior it is the evidence of what is shining the inside. I would not get a devil tattoo. That is not what is shining in me. If I got a tattoo for my wife, my daughter, or my faith it would be because that is what is shining in me. The key is motives which only God will know anyway. I do believe that God cares more about the condition of the heart because if the outside is clean, but the inside in rotten the home is not righteous. That being said there is no evidence of Biblical support against tattoos. I know about Leviticus which doesn't apply as NOW has already showed. Some people just hold to the old school mindsets.
Ok, why would you not get a devil tatoo? What if someone DID want a devil tatoo. I know a guy who says he's a Christian (would fit in with alot of folks here) who said he was going to shave his head and have devil horns tatooed on his head. He could grow hair to cover it up, or shave his head when he wanted them to show.
As for "old school" mindsets, that is simply an unfounded opinion. Because I'm not going to say "anything goes" if you want to tatoo a leaf on your arm, or a teardrop under your eye, or devils horn on your head, or tatoo your face like mike tyson, or tatoo your whole body (like the pic of the guy in this thread) well thats all right, God doesn't care. Whatever. Not everything that has ever been taught is 100% completely wrong.
The problem is, so many have come up under legalistic rules and never learned to live by Biblical principles, and now that many have shed that legalism they can't even comprehend principles.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
Ok, why would you not get a devil tatoo? What if someone DID want a devil tatoo. I know a guy who says he's a Christian (would fit in with alot of folks here) who said he was going to shave his head and have devil horns tatooed on his head. He could grow hair to cover it up, or shave his head when he wanted them to show.
As for "old school" mindsets, that is simply an unfounded opinion. Because I'm not going to say "anything goes" if you want to tatoo a leaf on your arm, or a teardrop under your eye, or devils horn on your head, or tatoo your face like mike tyson, or tatoo your whole body (like the pic of the guy in this thread) well thats all right, God doesn't care. Whatever. Not everything that has ever been taught is 100% completely wrong.
The problem is, so many have come up under legalistic rules and never learned to live by Biblical principles, and now that many have shed that legalism they can't even comprehend principles.
bump
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
Ok, why would you not get a devil tatoo? What if someone DID want a devil tatoo. I know a guy who says he's a Christian (would fit in with alot of folks here) who said he was going to shave his head and have devil horns tatooed on his head. He could grow hair to cover it up, or shave his head when he wanted them to show.
As for "old school" mindsets, that is simply an unfounded opinion. Because I'm not going to say "anything goes" if you want to tatoo a leaf on your arm, or a teardrop under your eye, or devils horn on your head, or tatoo your face like mike tyson, or tatoo your whole body (like the pic of the guy in this thread) well thats all right, God doesn't care. Whatever. Not everything that has ever been taught is 100% completely wrong.
The problem is, so many have come up under legalistic rules and never learned to live by Biblical principles, and now that many have shed that legalism they can't even comprehend principles.
NOW, this is the third time I've asked you this, will you answer it already?
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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