Is Sanctification My Work Or God's Work? - Page 6

LUKE2447 · #1 01-26-2011, 12:09 PM

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I'm not defending lives lived in rebellion to God. Disclaimer #2,345

LOL

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God has always been faithful. Even Israel, in all it's unrighteousness was redeemed in Christ.

The unrighteous are not redeemed. He was faithful to his covenant.

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What is it he's faithful to? The "if you do this, I'll do that" or "I will save you if you believe?"

yes and more.

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If it's the former, we are right back where we started. My salvation is in my own hands -- I can save myself or ........ myself.

You are saved by his work on the cross which brought about a offering/gift presented to you that you might be saved. Terms of conditions exist whether you like it or not. He gives you new life and reality in relation to him to do his will. The Law upon the heart which was prophecied. Scripture constantly teaches judgment by works. In the end did you do the work he led you to do by his Spirit. = death or life.

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Socialite · #2 01-26-2011, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

LOL

God has always been faithful. Even Israel, in all it's unrighteousness was redeemed in Christ.

The unrighteous are not redeemed. He was faithful to his covenant.

What is it he's faithful to? The "if you do this, I'll do that" or "I will save you if you believe?"

yes and more.

You are saved by his work on the cross which brought about a offering/gift presented to you that you might be saved. Terms of conditions exist whether you like it or not. He gives you new life and reality in relation to him to do his will. The Law upon the heart which was prophecied. Scripture constantly teaches judgment by works. In the end did you do the work he led you to do by his Spirit. = death or life.

Not the Gospel.

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Good luck showing that in the Story. The term and condition is BELIEVE WHAT I SAY!!!! HAVE FAITH IN ME!!!! I have overcome the world.

I don't deny we will all be judged for our actions. That doesn't place it all in the context of salvation.

Your works focus astounds me.

LUKE2447 · #3 01-26-2011, 12:14 PM

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Good luck showing that in the Story. The term and condition is BELIEVE WHAT I SAY!!!! HAVE FAITH IN ME!!!! I have overcome the world.

I don't deny we will all be judged for our actions. That doesn't place it all in the context of salvation.

Your works focus astounds me.

yes... it's his works not mine by which we are considered "friends" ehhh you know the scipture.

Socialite · #4 01-26-2011, 11:58 AM

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It's how I finish my last breath, not the relationship in-between? Talk about loopholes! So at the end of time is when this covenant is judged? (BTW, where do we get the idea of "judging covenants." That's not really how they worked in antiquity, or today!)

are you serious?

Again, incredulity but no explanation.

LUKE2447 · #5 01-26-2011, 12:02 PM

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Again, incredulity but no explanation.

My point is simply you have just negated the whole OT.

Socialite · #6 01-26-2011, 12:02 PM

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My point is simply you have just negated the whole OT.

Explain.

Are you TheLegalist? Sound an awful lot like him.

Socialite · #7 01-26-2011, 11:59 AM

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AGAIN, what happens WHEN I sin? I'm temporarily out of covenant and I need to scramble to get it right again before I perish and am judged as lost? What happens when we were born again? Just brought into covenant? That's all? You sure? What happens when I sin (which happens to some degree everyday)? You can see the anxiety I have, feeling like the duty to save myself is on me having to live up to terms that are out of reach (not to mention this isn't the Gospel at all).

So you following/being led by the Spirit and being "considered" in right standing is saving yourself? LOL

However you couch the terms, my salvation would be based on my performance. So... yes.

LUKE2447 · #8 01-26-2011, 12:05 PM

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However you couch the terms, my salvation would be based on my performance. So... yes.

please explain? So... yes?

pelathais · #9 01-26-2011, 12:18 PM

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I've written plenty in recent posts about salvation being God's work done for us, and something we receive by faith in Jesus. Many that I interacted with would always confuse sanctification with salvation. Even then, the question is asked, "Is sanctification my work or God's work?"

Philippians 2:12-13—

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.

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