With out holiness no man shall see GOD - Page 8

LUKE2447 · #71 07-27-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

You seem to have little or no revelation of why Jesus came, and did the work that he did.

I'm through wih this useless debate, so go ahead and have the last word.

I understand perfectly why he came. So that we could be born a new through his sacrifice and our sins be forgiven and that he would dwell in our hearts by faith(proper response) to his Spirit. Thus the /torah/law/Christ would be WRITTEN on the heart. By our faith(proper response) to his Sprit we fulfill the LAW as he fullfilled it. It is not on stones anymore but upon our inward man. Thus by faith we fulfill the requirements of the law in our daily lives.

Rom 8:4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

The day the law is done away with this universe/creation will not be here. There never will be a day you are not accountable to law. If you are accountable to God there is law.

TalkLady · #72 07-27-2008, 01:13 PM

This is way over simplifying but here are some random thoughts:

If I understand correctly, “kedushah” or “holiness” means separation from the “general” to the “particular”…Or as in the Bride of Christ, members in particular may be looked at as in a state of “kiddushin” or “betrothal” of the “kallah” the bride to her “chasan” the bridegroom.

In my opinion, the fact that the bride is separated from all of the others is not the truest essence of “holiness” or the love of the bride to the bridegroom…. The truest essence of the holiness would seem to be that she has a pure, defined and deliberate love to the One – Jesus Christ, the bridegroom. The separation from something is not as important as the dedication to something.

Maybe what some of us have experienced is too much emphasis on the separation and not enough on the “kiddushin,” the betrothal of the bride to the bridegroom – how to express that love. The separation is important but not as important as the deliberate work of the bride making the commitment of the betrothal via how we are dedicated to Him and show love to others. Yes, I agree that there can be "overlapping" here via separation and expressing our love...lol

Sherri · #73 07-27-2008, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TalkLady

This is way over simplifying but here are some random thoughts:

If I understand correctly, “kedushah” or “holiness” means separation from the “general” to the “particular”…Or as in the Bride of Christ, members in particular may be looked at as in a state of “kiddushin” or “betrothal” of the “kallah” the bride to her “chasan” the bridegroom.

In my opinion, the fact that the bride is separated from all of the others is not the truest essence of “holiness” or the love of the bride to the bridegroom…. The truest essence of the holiness would seem to be that she has a pure, defined and deliberate love to the One – Jesus Christ, the bridegroom. The separation from something is not as important as the dedication to something.

Maybe what some of us have experienced is too much emphasis on the separation and not enough on the “kiddushin,” the betrothal of the bride to the bridegroom – how to express that love. The separation is important but not as important as the deliberate work of the bride making the commitment of the betrothal via how we are dedicated to Him and show love to others. Yes, I agree that there can be "overlapping" here via separation and expressing our love...lol

Great post!!

LUKE2447 · #74 07-28-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bro-Larry

You and I will never fulfill the law. The fact that Jesus fulfilled the law is the reason it has passed away. Jesus lived perfect and upright under the law, then when he died the law was nailed to his cross.

hmm seems God says otherwise... More like it was nailed to the heart!

Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,
Eze 11:20 that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
Eze 11:21 But as for those whose heart goes after their detestable things and their abominations, I will bring their deeds upon their own heads, declares the Lord GOD."

Eze 36:26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

MiamiGirl · #75 08-28-2008, 03:09 PM

I love Jeff Arnold - and he is a holy man - with a great annointing. I agree with that - it ain't no dresscode. - Its living a moral, clean, pure life pleasing to the Lord, and whats inside will come outside. I have seen sisters in UPC wear a ton of jewlery in the hair - whats the difference between that and jewlery on your fingers (not that I care) but please - if you are going to stick to a standard then stick to it all the way. I find most people bend the rules according to their convenience. So I don't worry about it anymore. I do what I feel God has called me to do. I cut my hair ends when they look like straw, but I wear it very long. And I wear pants when I go skiing. OMGosh I am a heathen? Snap out of it. LOL

Sister Alvear · #76 08-28-2008, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MiamiGirl

I love Jeff Arnold - and he is a holy man - with a great annointing. I agree with that - it ain't no dresscode. - Its living a moral, clean, pure life pleasing to the Lord, and whats inside will come outside. I have seen sisters in UPC wear a ton of jewlery in the hair - whats the difference between that and jewlery on your fingers (not that I care) but please - if you are going to stick to a standard then stick to it all the way. I find most people bend the rules according to their convenience. So I don't worry about it anymore. I do what I feel God has called me to do. I cut my hair ends when they look like straw, but I wear it very long. And I wear pants when I go skiing. OMGosh I am a heathen? Snap out of it. LOL

Sister Alvear · #77 08-28-2008, 03:18 PM

When HIS laws are written in our hearts dear ones will no one will have any problem KNOWING who we belong to.

Sister Alvear · #78 08-28-2008, 03:22 PM

A Christ LIKE spirit is easy to recognize...the first Christians were called Christians because they made the people think of Christ.

Sister Alvear · #79 08-28-2008, 03:25 PM

"We must be holy," wrote 19th-century author and pastor J.C. Ryle, "because this is the only sound evidence that we are true children of God."

ManOfWord · #80 08-28-2008, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by brodano

what is true holiness? where do we draw the line ? what is of the world. we all want to see His Face. TELEVISION, BEARDS, LONG HAIR, WOMENS UNCUT HAIR, SHORT SLEVES, LONG DRESSES, NO SHORTS, GOING TO THE MOVIES. AND THE LIST GOES ON AND ON.... TRUE HOLINESS IS SEPERATION FROM THE WORLD.

The most important part of holiness is NOT the separation FROM the world, it is the separation TO God! Trying NOT to do something is almost a sure fire way to fail at the attempt. Doing something positive or different is almost a sure fire way to keep from doing it!

Separation FROM without separation TO will NEVER work!