Do you have "The Revelation"?

[HeavenlyOne]

Originally Posted by Timmy

You don't wanna know.

Sure he does, or he wouldn't have asked....LOL!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Sure he does, or he wouldn't have asked....LOL!

But seriously, I don't think he was asking me!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Ok let me ask just one more time to those in the thread.

What was the "revelation" you received when you received "the revelation"?

I think I explained my revelation in post 27 of this thread. It is not a scholarly discourse on the "Godhead" and it doesn't answer everyone's questions, but it put my mind at ease. Here it is repeated for those who may not have read it:

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On December 6, 1955 it "clicked" for me.
I was saved on March 28, 1955.
I later joined a local Baptist Church (GARB organization, I think)
I was baptized in Jesus' name on October 27 1955.
I had questions about how God could be three and be one at the same time.
It was explained to me that just as the whole ocean would not fit into a teacup, the understanding of the trinity would not fit into a human mind--we just had to take it by faith.
That day happened to be my 18th birthday.
Before going to bed I knelt and prayed.
Part of that prayer was for understanding.
As I was getting into bed, it "clicked" in my mind.
It was like someone turning on a light.
By the time I finished getting into bed and pulling the covers up, I had an "understanding" of God and Jesus.
I "saw" that God was one invisible spirit who filled all space and time.
That invisible spirit caused the virgin Mary to conceive.
The child born of Mary was indwelt by that invisible spirit.
That child born of Mary was somehow human and divine, flesh and deity but one being.
He could act, work, relate as a man and He could also act, move, and relate as God.
I could not explain all the various passages of Scripture relating to the subject of "the Godhead" but some how I knew that the one true God, the one revealed as Jehovah in the Old Testament:
came to earth in the person of Jesus,
lived among humans,
died, was buried, rose again, ascended to Heaven, and was exalted,
and lived in me as the Holy Spirit.

I considered it a "revelation" at the time and still do.
I also considered it a special birthday gift from the Lord on my 18th birthday.

[Billy Boy]

The best oneness message I have ever heard was preached by a Baptist preacher who was converted from Mormonism! And after preaching his fantastic revelation he made a statement I have never forgotten- " Our finite minds will NEVER fully understand an infinite God!!!

[Scott Hutchinson]

The bible itself is Spiritually discerned,we can read the word and if The Holy Spirit does not open our understanding then we can't cpmprehend truth,so certainly truths about the divinity and Godhood of Christ have to be understood by revelation.

Look at how many people read the word,but lack in understanding.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

The bible itself is Spiritually discerned,we can read the word and if The Holy Spirit does not open our understanding then we can't cpmprehend truth,so certainly truths about the divinity and Godhood of Christ have to be understood by revelation.

Look at how many people read the word,but lack in understanding.

That's true. It sure can't (always) mean exactly what it says, that's for sure.

[Scott Hutchinson]

Originally Posted by Timmy

That's true. It sure can't (always) mean exactly what it says, that's for sure.

That's why one must study and go into word and language studies,and rightly divide the word of truth.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

That's why one must study and go into word and language studies,and rightly divide the word of truth.

A revelation would be easier. And more reliable (God wouldn't lead you astray!).

[Hoovie]

Shaggy, I am not sure if I did not read this post, or just did not have time to respond...

Originally Posted by shag

Just to throw a little more in the mix.....in the following, who is considered the underlined "HE" that they did not know, Jesus or only the Father?, or both?

I would say the person of God. Or even the Father as revealed by Jesus Christ.

Originally Posted by shag

1 Jn. 3:1 Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him. 2 Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. 3 And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

(We know Jesus was in the world....and the world knew Him not -Jn.1:10, yet Jesus addressed the people a few times, saying they also didnt know the Father-Jn. 16:3.....)

Great confirmation of the deity of Christ.

Originally Posted by shag

Also, in reading Jn. 16, I found it interesting....Jesus said there would come a time when He would tell plainly of the Father..
#1 When did that time come, and what did He "tell plainly"?

And in the very next verse, Jesus says in that day, you will ask in my name.
#2 Why did Jesus go on to say in that day, you will ask in my name?


I feel its probably relative to the apostles answering Matt. 28:19, with Jesus name baptism thruout the book of Acts. And also possibly relative to the verse that was posted early-on, about "no one knows the Father, except the Son, and whosoever the Son reveals Him to.."

Jesus name baptism was commonplace when Christ was on Earth, so I don't see any kind of revelation or fulfillment in Acts regarding baptism in his name.

Perhaps it's speaking of the coming of the Holy Spirit - when God would be IN them speaking directly to the inner man.

Originally Posted by shag

Jn. 16:25 “These things I have spoken to you in figurative language; but the time is coming when I will no longer speak to you in figurative language, but I will tell you plainly about the Father. 26 In that day you will ask in My name, and I do not say to you that I shall pray the Father for you

When Christ was on Earth He tended to physically mediate the needs to the Father. Perhaps this is saying we will no longer seek Him (Jesus) out, and ask Him to go to the Father on our behalf... As Spirit filled believers we can go to the Father "In Jesus Name".

[riverslivnwtr]

Originally Posted by Timmy

A revelation would be easier. And more reliable (God wouldn't lead you astray!).

but that wouldn't be no fun...Rice plays Texas because it's hard. quote "JFK"