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Old 12-31-2007, 10:19 PM
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The Pentecost that shook Jerusalem

I listened to a message today titled "The Pentecost That Shook Jerusalem". In it the preacher implied that the Pentecost of this day and age seems to be powerless compared to the Pentecost of the book of Acts. He said that their Pentecost was a powerful baptism that changed folks and causing them to stop sinning. He said that the Pentecost of that day gave folks power over the devil, power to heal the sick, make the lame walk, and make the blind to see. The Pentecost of that day took arrogant and haughty men and made them humble servants, full of Love.

I relate much to this message, as I continue to look for a city whose builder and maker is God. I am very disheartened by the American Church. Very little true Pentecostal power is present in most churches. Of Course, most will disagree with me, but I have seen the glory, and will not be swayed by the opposing views. Something is missing in our day.

Am I alone in my views?? Am I crazy?? Am I sadly mistaken?? Am I blind to the glory of God in the present church of America??
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:36 PM
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Am I alone in my views?? Am I crazy?? Am I sadly mistaken?? Am I blind to the glory of God in the present church of America??
No. No. No. No.

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I relate much to this message, as I continue to look for a city whose builder and maker is God. I am very disheartened by the American Church. Very little true Pentecostal power is present in most churches. Of Course, most will disagree with me, but I have seen the glory, and will not be swayed by the opposing views. Something is missing in our day.
I'm with you 100% on this.
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Old 12-31-2007, 10:37 PM
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I listened to a message today titled "The Pentecost That Shook Jerusalem". In it the preacher implied that the Pentecost of this day and age seems to be powerless compared to the Pentecost of the book of Acts. He said that their Pentecost was a powerful baptism that changed folks and causing them to stop sinning. He said that the Pentecost of that day gave folks power over the devil, power to heal the sick, make the lame walk, and make the blind to see. The Pentecost of that day took arrogant and haughty men and made them humble servants, full of Love.

I relate much to this message, as I continue to look for a city whose builder and maker is God. I am very disheartened by the American Church. Very little true Pentecostal power is present in most churches. Of Course, most will disagree with me, but I have seen the glory, and will not be swayed by the opposing views. Something is missing in our day.

Am I alone in my views?? Am I crazy?? Am I sadly mistaken?? Am I blind to the glory of God in the present church of America??
No you are not.
It isn't just in America.

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Old 12-31-2007, 10:45 PM
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St matt.,

I certainly believe in holiness and that the church needs a huge dose of humility...

but I will say I believe our expectations of what the New testament church is or should be are somewhat different.
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I listened to a message today titled "The Pentecost That Shook Jerusalem". In it the preacher implied that the Pentecost of this day and age seems to be powerless compared to the Pentecost of the book of Acts. He said that their Pentecost was a powerful baptism that changed folks and causing them to stop sinning. He said that the Pentecost of that day gave folks power over the devil, power to heal the sick, make the lame walk, and make the blind to see. The Pentecost of that day took arrogant and haughty men and made them humble servants, full of Love.

I relate much to this message, as I continue to look for a city whose builder and maker is God. I am very disheartened by the American Church. Very little true Pentecostal power is present in most churches. Of Course, most will disagree with me, but I have seen the glory, and will not be swayed by the opposing views. Something is missing in our day.

Am I alone in my views?? Am I crazy?? Am I sadly mistaken?? Am I blind to the glory of God in the present church of America??

I watched Perry Stone tonight, he had his father and TL Lowery of the Church of God, they sat and talked about what your post is stating. Not much power, little in the way of healing, over indulgence in material pursuits.

It was refeshing to see some Old Time Pentecost Ministers (granted COG) but irregardless passionate and experienced in the Power of God.

One thought they brought up was contrasting Elijah and Elisha, Elijah imparted before he departed, Elisha died without imparting, the power was still in this bones.

TL Lowery said that one of the issues with this generation is lack of Spiritual Fathers. I can identify with that, sorry I don't know what to do how to remedy it, but I think his point was good.
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But we have THE spiritual Father, maybe we just aren't paying enough attention to him. But I understand what you are saying, because we made it about ourselves instead of him.
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But we have THE spiritual Father, maybe we just aren't paying enough attention to him. But I understand what you are saying, because we made it about ourselves instead of him.
I agree, and that is maybe why that I have never had one, because he is the way, the truth and the life. But they pointed out that many in the ranks of Pentecost are growing up in powerless churches and have not experienced the gifts of the Spirit and flowing in the power of God.
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I listened to a message today titled "The Pentecost That Shook Jerusalem". In it the preacher implied that the Pentecost of this day and age seems to be powerless compared to the Pentecost of the book of Acts. He said that their Pentecost was a powerful baptism that changed folks and causing them to stop sinning. He said that the Pentecost of that day gave folks power over the devil, power to heal the sick, make the lame walk, and make the blind to see. The Pentecost of that day took arrogant and haughty men and made them humble servants, full of Love.

I relate much to this message, as I continue to look for a city whose builder and maker is God. I am very disheartened by the American Church. Very little true Pentecostal power is present in most churches. Of Course, most will disagree with me, but I have seen the glory, and will not be swayed by the opposing views. Something is missing in our day.

Am I alone in my views?? Am I crazy?? Am I sadly mistaken?? Am I blind to the glory of God in the present church of America??


Not sure if it was same preacher you heard, but I have a tape of Jerry Jones preaching "What it took to shake Jerusalem." Great word.
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I listened to a message today titled "The Pentecost That Shook Jerusalem". In it the preacher implied that the Pentecost of this day and age seems to be powerless compared to the Pentecost of the book of Acts. He said that their Pentecost was a powerful baptism that changed folks and causing them to stop sinning. He said that the Pentecost of that day gave folks power over the devil, power to heal the sick, make the lame walk, and make the blind to see. The Pentecost of that day took arrogant and haughty men and made them humble servants, full of Love.

I relate much to this message, as I continue to look for a city whose builder and maker is God. I am very disheartened by the American Church. Very little true Pentecostal power is present in most churches. Of Course, most will disagree with me, but I have seen the glory, and will not be swayed by the opposing views. Something is missing in our day.

Am I alone in my views?? Am I crazy?? Am I sadly mistaken?? Am I blind to the glory of God in the present church of America??

2 Timothy 3


1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

We see the second verse right here on this board, and the 5th verse I beleive is what you refer too.
The coming is near my friends.
Here is my question; Does the following verse apply just to the day of Pentecost or does this speak of the end days? Is there a revival coming like we have not seen?


Acts 2; 14-21


14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17 ‘ And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19 I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.’[b]
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I heard SteveMcMullen preach this message several years ago.
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