Has anyone read these books?

[Innocuous]

"Reveal" and "Follow Me" by Hawkins and Parkinson? They're books put out by Willow Creek about their recent research on the effectiveness of their church to develop people spiritually. Anybody read them? Any comments? I'm reading them and just wondering what other people think.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Innocuous

"Reveal" and "Follow Me" by Hawkins and Parkinson? They're books put out by Willow Creek about their recent research on the effectiveness of their church to develop people spiritually. Anybody read them? Any comments? I'm reading them and just wondering what other people think.

Is that the survey where they discussed that the Seeker Sensitive/Attractional Model of having church has been a dismal failure in producing a quality disciple for Jesus Christ?

[Innocuous]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

Is that the survey where they discussed that the Seeker Sensitive/Attractional Model of having church has been a dismal failure in producing a quality disciple for Jesus Christ?

Yeah, something like that. From what I've read though their findings can be helpful/interesting as well for those who don't adhere to the seeker sensitive model. The second book, "Follow Me" offers suggestions as to how to change that trend toward shallow Christians. Obviously the seeker sensitive movement isn't the only one suffering from undiscipled Christians.