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[Falla39]

http://www.firstdallas.org/article/o...news-columnist

(Someone sent this to me this morning.)

Please read the interview with the Fox News, in addition to the video here. Very interesting!

Falla39

[coadie]

He said Islam supported violence.

[Cowtown]

Originally Posted by coadie

He said Islam supported violence.

The Holy Quran : Chapter 9: Al-Taubah

[9:1] This is a declaration of complete absolution on the part of Allah and His Messenger from all obligation to the idolaters with whom you had made promises. [9:2] So go about in the land for four months, and know that you cannot frustrate the plan of Allah and that Allah will humiliate the disbelievers. [9:3] And this is a proclamation from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage, that Allah is clear of the idolaters, and so is His Messenger. So if you repent, it will be better for you; but if you turn away, then know that you cannot frustrate the plan of Allah. And give tidings of a painful punishment to those who disbelieve, [9:4] Excepting those of the idolaters with whom you have entered into a treaty and who have not subsequently failed you in anything nor aided anyone against you. So fulfil to these the treaty you have made with them till their term. Surely, Allah loves those who are righteous. [9:5] And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful. [9:6] And if anyone of the idolaters ask protection of thee, grant him protection so that he may hear the word of Allah; then convey him to his place of security. That is because they are a people who have no knowledge. [9:7] How can there be a treaty of these idolaters with Allah and His Messenger, except those with whom you entered into a treaty at the Sacred Mosque? So, as long as they stand true to you, stand true to them. Surely, Allah loves those who are righteous. [9:8] How can it be when, if they prevail against you, they would not observe any tie of relationship or covenant in respect of you? They would please you with their mouths, while their hearts refuse, and most of them are perfidious. [9:9] They barter the Signs of Allah for a paltry price and turn men away from His way. Evil indeed is that which they do. [9:10] They observe not any tie of relationship or covenant in respect of anyone who trusts them. And it is they who are transgressors.

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Yes, I'd say Islam is violent, if you don't believe in Islam you're a disbeliever/idolater and should be killed. In America we try to apply tolerance to every situation and Political Correctness as well and both have run amuk.

I could say a lot but let the Quaran speak. I bet someone will say I just took this out of context.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by coadie

He said Islam supported violence.

Did he say that Islam supported violence or that Islam INCITES violence!

Falla39

[DAII]

Is the Jewish religion as violent?

Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.

"In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=124494788

One of among many.

[Aquila]

Keep in mind... not every Muslim interprets the Quran the same way. For some, Jihad today is their version of evangelism and political activism. Military Jihad, according to these, should only be engaged when the faith or an Islamic society is in danger. They see it as self defense.

Others interpret it as a mandate and see it as a charge to be militarily engaged around the world.

Just as in Christianity... there are various denominations and theological perspectives in Islam.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by DAII

Is the Jewish religion as violent?

Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.

"In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=124494788

One of among many.

Excellent question.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by DAII

Is the Jewish religion as violent?



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=124494788

One of among many.

NPR apologetics?

[Aquila]

Anyone here ever read the Writings of the Quran? I'm currently reading the Writings of the Quran. Actually, some parts of it are very beautiful and poetic. If read in context and valued culturally... it has shaped over half the world. Truly a very interesting read.

You need to approach it with an OT mindset. And knowing the Catholic church of the time, sometimes I find myself thinking, Mohammed (PBUH) was definately understood the wickedness he faced from the supposed Christians of his day.

[Cowtown]

Originally Posted by DAII

Is the Jewish religion as violent?



http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=124494788

One of among many.

I can't disagree with the violence of what happened several thousand years ago, but I ask, are modern day Muslims taking the words of Muhommad (sp?) out of context, an expcerpt from the link you just posted:

El-Ansary says that in the past 30 years, there's been a perfect storm that has created a violent strain of Islam. The first is political: frustration at Western intervention in the Muslim world. The second is intellectual: the rise of Wahhabi Islam, a more fundamentalist interpretation of Islam subscribed to by Osama bin Laden. El-Ansary says fundamentalists have distorted Islam for political purposes.

"Basically what they do is they take verses out of context and then use that to justify these egregious actions," he says.

El-Ansary says we are seeing more religious violence from Muslims now because the Islamic world is far more religious than is the West. Still, Jenkins says Judeo-Christian cultures shouldn't be smug. The Bible has plenty of violence.


Are Muslims following the Quaran as they are suppose too, or are they taking it out of context? I guess it really doesn't matter what we say on this forum or anywhere else. There are folks that have lost loved ones and friends This Week due to violent Islamic regimes. Muslims who enforce their religious views on those around them.
I do pray for True Peace.