We Gentiles are running out of time

[Sean]

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:



Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.




Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(Did you know the context of the previous verse 29 is contextually speaking about national Israel?)

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Sean

Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:



Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.




Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(Did you know the context of the previous verse 29 is contextually speaking about national Israel?)

We Gentiles have until the end of the trib when Christ returns.

[shazeep]

ok, and i doubt that God cares about a temporal, national Israel. He has wiped them out a couple times Himself!

[good samaritan]

I think that a lot of people feel the time of the gentiles means the church age and that it is our turn at salvation. I think the time of the gentiles is not about the church, but instead it is about natural Israel. In A.D. 70 Israel was made desolate and no longer controlled by Israel itself. It was controlled by gentile nations. Even till this day Israel has not completely broken free from the bondage of gentiles in her land. They are in constant turmoil over their land and this is the time of the gentiles. I can could very well see treaties made within our generation to absolve this problem. triggering that 70th week. I don't think that natural Israel has any spiritual inheritance based on the premise that they are natural Jews, but I believe there is still prophecy yet to be fulfilled concerning them. There is significance to it be a nation that is important.

[Jermyn Davidson]

We do have a short time until the Great Catching Away aka Rapture.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ok, and i doubt that God cares about a temporal, national Israel. He has wiped them out a couple times Himself!

If God didn't care about Israel... why did He repeatedly bring judgment upon them in effort to get them to repent as a people?

[shazeep]

well, i didn't mean to imply that God does not care about Jews, but that "Israel" has spiritual implications which most likely trump any temporal ones. Permanent place in this world, anyone? I mean, by what stretch is anyone able to justify the current nation of Israel as Godly?

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

We do have a short time until the Great Catching Away aka Rapture.

hmm. they were saying that in 34 AD, too, tho--w/o the "rapture" part, of course. That didn't reappear until the 19th century, i guess, but it's not new, either.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, i didn't mean to imply that God does not care about Jews, but that "Israel" has spiritual implications which most likely trump any temporal ones. Permanent place in this world, anyone? I mean, by what stretch is anyone able to justify the current nation of Israel as Godly?

It appears that God likes defending them, coming to their aid, etc. Was it the 6 day war when angels came down and just their appearance caused the Egyptians to abandon their tanks on the battlefield?

Or is this another story that I've always heard and have taken for granted that it is the truth?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Aquila

If God didn't care about Israel... why did He repeatedly bring judgment upon them in effort to get them to repent as a people?

Do you think the Holocaust was part of God's Judgment for the Jews?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Do you think the Holocaust was part of God's Judgment for the Jews?

No. If you consider the Zionist movement that was in play, there was already political efforts towards establishing a Jewish state in Palestine. Then we see a massive effort by both Nazi Germany to eradicate the Jews. After WWII, with so many displaced Jews... and a fledgling Zionist state... the United Nations voted to partition Palestine and firmly establish a Jewish state. Thus, in a single vote... a nation was born in a day.

I believe that the Holocaust was much like the Slaughter of the Innocents. It was Satan's efforts to destroy the Jewish people before the Jewish state could be firmly established. Satan knows the prophecies. The prophecies include a Jewish state of Israel. Had Satan successfully eradicated enough of the Jewish people... Israel wouldn't exist as it does today. And the prophecies would have been thwarted... at least for several generations.

There is a war between God and Satan... and God's covenant people, Israel, are at the center of it all.