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Old 06-16-2007, 10:19 PM
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Did Jesus Christ Have The Ability To Sin ?

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched ,with the feeling of our infirmities ,but was in all points tempted as we are ,yet without sin.HEBREWS.4:15

We know that Jesus Christ was the only begotten of the Father full of grace and truth ,as well as being God manifest in the flesh.

We know that He was borned of a virgin ,and did not have a fallen Adamic nature ,yet He was tempted in all points like as we are yet He didn't sin.

But did Jesus Christ in His humanity have the ability or potential to sin ,had He chosen to ?

What say ye did Jesus Christ have the ability to commit sin ?
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Old 06-16-2007, 10:20 PM
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Yes He could have sinned.
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Old 06-16-2007, 10:27 PM
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It would have been a sin to accept anything the devil tempted Him with in the wilderness.......
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Old 06-16-2007, 10:30 PM
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Is there anybody out there who says no ?
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Yes He could have sinned.
Yes, and I k now this is a controversial subject. But if He did not have the ability to sin, then neither was he truly like us so that He could die as us and redeem us.

The story of Ruth relates an important part of redemption that is absolutely essential to the owrking of our plan of salvation. This is the aspect of KINSMAN REDEEMER. Boaz represented Christ. And Boaz was only able to redeem the land and name of Ruth's departed husband since he was KIN to her deceased husband. This is called LEVIRATE LAW. Similarly, Christ could only redeem mankind because Christ was a MAN. An angel could not do so, and neither could God without incarnation of Himself. Since death came by man, resurrection from the dead must come by a man. Hence, Christ incarnate. Heb 2:14 says He toook upon himself the flesh and blood of which we partake in order to be able to die. That same potential to die had the potential to sin.

Sin causes death. Since Christ was able to die, then that means He was able to sin. He did die, of course, but not due to any sin He committed. It was obviously our sin which He took upon Himself. However, the fact remains that He could and did die, so He could have sinned. If He could not have sinned, then neither could He have died.

Put it this way, if He could not sin, then neither could He take upon Himself our sins. The same reason that would not allow HIm to sin would be the reason He could nto take our sin upon Himself.

And what really indicates Christ COULD HAVE sinned is that He was TEMPTED. And if someone cannot sin, then they cannot be tempted to sin. And because the Bible says Christ "was tempted", then that means He had the potential to sin, or else He could have told the devil, "Your offer does not tempt me."

On the other hand, though, we could say He could not sin only because IT WAS FOREKNOWN by God, and prophesied, that He would succeed and not sin. Therefore, IN THAT RESPECT ALONE, He could not sin. As per POTENTIAL, YES he could have sinned. As per the foreknowledge of God, NO, He could not.
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Is there anybody out there who says no ?
Probably, but they're wrong. lol
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Altho Yeshua was TEMPTED in all points as we are the answer is no he could not have sinned. He was FORE ORDAINED to be the lamb of God. The sovereignty of God had appointed him to be our Savoir.
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Altho Yeshua was TEMPTED in all points as we are the answer is no he could not have sinned. He was FORE ORDAINED to be the lamb of God. The sovereignty of God had appointed him to be our Savoir.
I agree, and said that. But as per potential to sin, yes.
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Hey Michael The Disciple could God make a rock so big ,He couldn't pick it up ?
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If He had no ability to sin, the temptation was not genuine.
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