Apostolic Friends Forum
Tab Menu 1
Go Back   Apostolic Friends Forum > The Fellowship Hall > Fellowship Hall
Facebook

Notices

Fellowship Hall The place to go for Fellowship & Fun!


View Poll Results: The most divisive moment/issue in OP history?
1916 "Jesus Only" issue 7 23.33%
1992 UPCI Affirmation Statement 15 50.00%
2007 UPCI Vote to accept television ads and programs 3 10.00%
Other 5 16.67%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-25-2009, 12:28 PM
EA's Avatar
EA EA is offline
>>Primitive Pentecostal<<


 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,892
>What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP History?<

In your opinion, what is the most divisive moment and/or issue in Oneness Pentecostal history?

Here are some options.

1916 Oneness split from the Assemblies of God because of the "Jesus Only" issue.

1992 UPCI vote to require a signed statement from all ministers, which was an affirmation that they believed all of the holiness standards in the AOF, and would preach and teach them.

2007 vote by the UPCI to allow television advertising and programming. This vote caused several hundred ministers to leave the org and form a new org (WPF).

Feel free to add other suggestions.
__________________
The world has lost the power to blush over its vice; the Church has lost her power to weep over it.

Leonard Ravenhill
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-25-2009, 12:34 PM
*AQuietPlace*'s Avatar
*AQuietPlace* *AQuietPlace* is offline
Love God, Love Your Neighbor


 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 7,363
Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor

#1 wouldn't really be a divisive moment in Oneness Pentecostal history, would it? That was more like the beginning of the movement.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-25-2009, 12:52 PM
EA's Avatar
EA EA is offline
&gt;&gt;Primitive Pentecostal&lt;&lt;


 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 1,892
Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor

No, the movement actually began a few years earlier.

It existed within and without the broader Pentecostal movement.

It cam to a head at the 1916 AOG General Conference, when:

"At the fourth General Conference of the fledgling Assemblies of God meeting at St. Louis, the New Issue came to the forefront and the conference had to deal with this new doctrine. Factions among the attendees championed either the Oneness position, or the orthodox Trinitarian position. A third group tried to mediate and all the issue to be sent to a committee for further study.

The Trinitarian faction controlled the key leadership and committee positions. The committee that was to draft the statement of fundamental truths was solidly Trinitarian and contrary to the AG's original intention of not creating a denomination, was authorized so impose doctrinal limits upon the membership. The group opposed to Jesus Name baptism had enough support to call for a decision on the New Issue.

The committee issued a seventeen-point Statement of Fundamental Truths that was worded so that the doctrine of Jesus Name baptism and the Oneness of God was not a part of AG doctrine of teaching, thus reaffirming the orthodox position of baptism and the Godhead. The assembly of ministers at the conference voted in favor of the committee's report and in the end, 156 of the 585 ministers within the Assemblies of God were barred from further membership.

The issue of whether the oneness group was barred from membership is still disputed. According to many Oneness brethren the oneness group walked out of the Council. However, the Assemblies of God maintains that the vote over the Statement of Fundamental Truths caused the Oneness brethren to be expelled, dismissed, or barred from membership with the body."
__________________
The world has lost the power to blush over its vice; the Church has lost her power to weep over it.

Leonard Ravenhill
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-25-2009, 12:54 PM
Timmy's Avatar
Timmy Timmy is offline
Don't ask.


 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 24,212
Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor

When AFF admins decided not to ban Timmy after his first few posts?
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty

More New Stuff in Timmy Talk!
My Countdown Counting down to: Rapture. Again.
Why am I not surprised?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-25-2009, 01:42 PM
OnTheFritz's Avatar
OnTheFritz OnTheFritz is offline
Tired of it.


 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,645
Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor

Quote:
Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
When AFF admins decided not to ban Timmy after his first few posts?
Now how much fun would that have been...? This place wouldn't be the same without you.
__________________
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it. — André Gide

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds... - Ralph Waldo Emerson
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-25-2009, 01:52 PM
Hoovie's Avatar
Hoovie Hoovie is offline
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor

Well I am not sure that I can actually "vote" with the way the choices are...

The New Issue, it could be argued actually served to unify the Oneness Pentecostal fractions - if not immediately, then later out of necessity for close, like minded fellowship.

Also those who were rejected by the AOG at the time of the New Issue debate... many continued to preach and actively fellowship those who remained in the old organization. The same can hardly be said of the recent factions - at least in many cases the departed are placed "under question" and forbidden from the pulpits they once had a welcome in.

While men like Goss, Ewart and Whitherspoon would not attach hellfire to those who disagreed with them on the "New Issue", many will do so today on matters of television and hair length.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005

I am a firm believer in the Old Paths

Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945

"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-25-2009, 02:02 PM
Hoovie's Avatar
Hoovie Hoovie is offline
Supercalifragilisticexpiali...


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 19,197
Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor

I went ahead and voted with the second choice, though the third is a close runner up.
__________________
"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005

I am a firm believer in the Old Paths

Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945

"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-25-2009, 02:13 PM
mizpeh mizpeh is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 10,749
Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor

Somewhere preNicean creed when folks started to baptize in the titles
__________________
His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-25-2009, 02:20 PM
Scott Hutchinson's Avatar
Scott Hutchinson Scott Hutchinson is offline
Resident PeaceMaker


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Jackson,AL.
Posts: 16,548
Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor

How about when The white members of The PAW left that org.over the issue of race,that sound divisive to me ?
__________________
People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-25-2009, 04:33 PM
Steve Epley's Avatar
Steve Epley Steve Epley is offline
Registered Member


 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 11,903
Re: >What is the Most Divisive Moment in OP Histor

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson View Post
How about when The white members of The PAW left that org.over the issue of race,that sound divisive to me ?
Bro.Hutchinson I think this overlooked division changed the landscape of Pentecost forever. I doubt if there would have been a small handful of PCI minded guys if they had stayed with the PAW. The PAW grew stronger and stronger doctrinally and the whites divided soon after over various issues some just locales. I think you are correct. There would have been NO merger thus no need of any AS. Very good.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Moment of Truth HeavenlyOne Fellowship Hall 24 10-18-2010 08:23 AM
OK.....The Moment You've All Been Waiting for... LadyCoonskinner Fellowship Hall 56 12-17-2008 10:16 PM
Take a moment - to have a little CHURCH up in here... Theresa Fellowship Hall 20 08-14-2007 08:12 PM
The neocon moment is over Digging4Truth The Newsroom 0 05-23-2007 09:19 AM
A Moment of Silence Rhoni Fellowship Hall 10 05-08-2007 06:25 PM

 
User Infomation
Your Avatar

Latest Threads
- by Salome
- by Amanah

Help Support AFF!

Advertisement




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.