Doctrinal Question - Someone Please Take a Shot at This.

[TRFrance]

I was thinking recently about the Catholic doctrine of confession (to a priest), which we of course know is an unscriptural practice.

However, the Catholic church feels they have biblical justification for it. The scripture they use is (John 20:22-23):

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Therefore according to this argument, Roman Catholic priests, based on the authority handed down from the apostles, have the power to remit or retain sins.

Your thoughts please... How would you respond to someone who is Catholic, and defends the practice using that particular scripture?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

I was thinking recently about the Catholic doctrine of confession (to a priest), which we of course know is an unscriptural practice.

However, the Catholic church feels they have biblical justification for it. The scripture they use is (John 20:22-23):

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: 23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

Therefore according to this argument, Roman Catholic priests, based on the authority handed down from the apostles, have the power to remit or retain sins.

Your thoughts please... How would you respond to someone who is Catholic, and defends the practice using that particular scripture?

Hmmm interesting...I wondered when I saw that scripture if "we" also lean on that scripturte for our stance on Sins ONLY being remitted when a "man" plunges one beneaththe water and calls on the name of the Lord.

Do we make ourselves an instument of remitting someones sins. No ones sins can remitted without a "preist/preacher" doing the work fo rthem.

Just a side thought TRF....sorry, it's not an answer to your question.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by freeatlast

Hmmm interesting...I wondered when I saw that scripture if "we" also lean on that scripturte for our stance on Sins ONLY being remitted when a "man" plunges one beneaththe water and calls on the name of the Lord.

Do we make ourselves an instument of remitting someones sins. No ones sins can remitted without a "preist/preacher" doing the work fo rthem.

Just a side thought TRF....sorry, it's not an answer to your question.

Bro. Frank Curts, Bible teacher and Supt of UPC Ohio District for many years said that men can remit sins (by baptizing someone in Jesus' name) but men cannot forgive sins.

Almost sounds like RCC doctrine, doesn't it?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sam

Bro. Frank Curts, Bible teacher and Supt of UPC Ohio District for many years said that men can remit sins (by baptizing someone in Jesus' name) but men cannot forgive sins.

Almost sounds like RCC doctrine, doesn't it?

He was wicked man wasn't he????????? That Trinitarian pastor you have now wouldn't have said nothing like that although he baptizes using Rome's formula.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

He was wicked man wasn't he????????? That Trinitarian pastor you have now wouldn't have said nothing like that although he baptizes using Rome's formula.

Elder,
I would not say Bro. Curts was wicked.
He had lots of things said about him, lots of bad things, and lots of bad things by fellow Apostolic ministers, but I would not say he was wicked. I consider him a good man, and a wise man. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he taught.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sam

Elder,
I would not say Bro. Curts was wicked.
He had lots of things said about him, lots of bad things, and lots of bad things by fellow Apostolic ministers, but I would not say he was wicked. I consider him a good man, and a wise man. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with everything he taught.

Sam I never met Elder Curts and you know he was not identified in anyway with the camp I am part of. He was considered a liberal by us back then. However he served as your pastor and he didn't deserve that remark. I think this forum has made you lose your sensitivity that you once possessed? That is the problem by attending a church that actually does not preach what you believe and then daily having the faith of your youth disected on this forum. If I have misspoken forgive me.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Sam

Bro. Frank Curts, Bible teacher and Supt of UPC Ohio District for many years said that men can remit sins (by baptizing someone in Jesus' name) but men cannot forgive sins.

Almost sounds like RCC doctrine, doesn't it?

The words "remission" and "forgiveness" are the same...go back to the Greek. It amazes me how we can misinterpret so much.

[berkeley]

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

[Joelel]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Confess your faults one to an other when you sin against that person.Math.18:[15] Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
[16] But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
[17] And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
[18] Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[19] Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
[20] For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
[21] Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
[22] Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven

[Apprehended]

Well, if you are in the Confessional and the Priest does not grant Absolution, slip him a few buck under the divide. He wll then "remit" your sins. If not, just go to another Priest. Hey, sometimes you have to shop the sin around some...but there's no problem.